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Anderson finished?


Twisted said:
the stat on TMS they said was along these lines - his career divided up into 5 segments - i forget how many tests involved but it was not a small sample size : averaged 39 for the first quite a while, then 31, then somewhere in the 20s, then back up to 30 something, then 19 up to today

overall a fantastic career but he was given quite a long leash. so he spent a good portion of his career steadily working his was down to even just the relatively poor average of 35, wasn't until well into half way through his career his average dipped below 30.

now this isn't an attack on jimmy, he is a tremendous cricketer and has, and still is having, a fantastic career. if anything it shows you the perseverance of the bloke and how much england have benefitted from showing the faith in him that they never showed to plenty of other cricketers over the years.


looks to me like he'd make an excellent bond
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I think with Jimmy his poor performances were largely down to himbeing poorly managed. The management didn’t know what they wanted from him (a bit like Jofra now) and caused all sorts of physical and mental damage by trying to change his action completely. By 2008/09 he had a much better idea of how he wanted to bowl and gradual improvement happened.
 
Personally I think it's fascinating what Broad and Anderson are doing they are clearly still the best two new ball bowlers England have especially in English conditions. But the Ashes is just over a year away and that's the series that matters far more than any other to both us and the Aussies. I reckon the selectors where looking to ease both of them out of the scene over this summer but the support bowlers have not been good enough and with a dukes ball for those two taking wickets is still like shelling peas.
It will be very interesting to see who opens the bowling at the Gabba in that first test. I hope neither retire and they leave the decision to the selectors.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
Personally I think it's fascinating what Broad and Anderson are doing they are clearly still the best two new ball bowlers England have especially in English conditions. But the Ashes is just over a year away and that's the series that matters far more than any other to both us and the Aussies. I reckon the selectors where looking to ease both of them out of the scene over this summer but the support bowlers have not been good enough and with a dukes ball for those two taking wickets is still like shelling peas.
It will be very interesting to see who opens the bowling at the Gabba in that first test. I hope neither retire and they leave the decision to the selectors.
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I don’t agree that they are trying to ease them out at all by then. I do think they have an eye to the future and have wanted to give other bowlers more responsibility to improve them for then but I think it will be Anderson and Broad at the Gabba if they stay fit. In terms of the support bowlers Woakes has been excellent again but whether he had the skill set to open the bowling in Aus is another question.
 
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wayne entwhistle no9 said:
Personally I think it's fascinating what Broad and Anderson are doing they are clearly still the best two new ball bowlers England have especially in English conditions. But the Ashes is just over a year away and that's the series that matters far more than any other to both us and the Aussies. I reckon the selectors where looking to ease both of them out of the scene over this summer but the support bowlers have not been good enough and with a dukes ball for those two taking wickets is still like shelling peas.
It will be very interesting to see who opens the bowling at the Gabba in that first test. I hope neither retire and they leave the decision to the selectors.
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If they're both still playing they'll both go. I'd imagine the selectors would take around 5 or 6 quicks there and rotate them
 
rentaghost said:
I don’t agree that they are trying to ease them out at all by then. I do think they have an eye to the future and have wanted to give other bowlers more responsibility to improve them for then but I think it will be Anderson and Broad at the Gabba if they stay fit. In terms of the support bowlers Woakes has been excellent again but whether he had the skill set to open the bowling in Aus is another question.
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A bowling attack of a near 40 year old Anderson, near 36 year old Broad and Woakes in Australia would be very concerning IMO. Australia is no place for old bones and Woakes has a poor record outside of England. IMO, you can only pick 1 of those 3 in the starting XI.
 
The Breen Machine said:
A bowling attack of a near 40 year old Anderson, near 36 year old Broad and Woakes in Australia would be very concerning IMO. Australia is no place for old bones and Woakes has a poor record outside of England. IMO, you can only pick 1 of those 3 in the starting XI.
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Interesting I think Broad and Anderson are a shoo in tbh. With Anderson they will expect a good new ball spell and then economy with the likes of Archer, Wood, Stokes, Stone providing the quicker, aggressive stuff. Time will tell and injuries / fitness may determine selection.
 
rentaghost said:
Interesting I think Broad and Anderson are a shoo in tbh. With Anderson they will expect a good new ball spell and then economy with the likes of Archer, Wood, Stokes, Stone providing the quicker, aggressive stuff. Time will tell and injuries / fitness may determine selection.
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A lot could happen in the next year and a bit but I'd personally only be looking to pick 1 of the 2 (Possibly have both on tour), and I think Broad is likely to get more out of the pitches with his extra height and ability to bowl a bit back of a length. It's a good point re: the economy rate though as a seam attack of Archer, Broad, Wood and Stokes may be somewhat over-attacking!
 
The Breen Machine said:
A lot could happen in the next year and a bit but I'd personally only be looking to pick 1 of the 2 (Possibly have both on tour), and I think Broad is likely to get more out of the pitches with his extra height and ability to bowl a bit back of a length. It's a good point re: the economy rate though as a seam attack of Archer, Broad, Wood and Stokes may be somewhat over-attacking!
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Fair point. I think Broad is first pick out of the entire group and I expect that to be the case in 15 months time. There is a lot said rightly about the need for extra pace and or bounce over there but economy is equally important. This summer hasn’t helped us get any nearer solving the problem really with the old guard of Anderson, Broad and Woakes being outstanding and others not so much.
 
rentaghost said:
Fair point. I think Broad is first pick out of the entire group and I expect that to be the case in 15 months time. There is a lot said rightly about the need for extra pace and or bounce over there but economy is equally important. This summer hasn’t helped us get any nearer solving the problem really with the old guard of Anderson, Broad and Woakes being outstanding and others not so much.
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Agreed. We should have seen more of Wood too IMO.
Paddy O'Dors said:
Don't think that has any effect in the new stadium.
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Think you're right, so Curran will effectively be bowling slow left-arm :lol:
 
The Breen Machine said:
A bowling attack of a near 40 year old Anderson, near 36 year old Broad and Woakes in Australia would be very concerning IMO. Australia is no place for old bones and Woakes has a poor record outside of England. IMO, you can only pick 1 of those 3 in the starting XI.
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That's the dilemma the selectors have and the other worry is if they both bail out of international cricket before the ashes.
 
The Breen Machine said:
A lot could happen in the next year and a bit but I'd personally only be looking to pick 1 of the 2 (Possibly have both on tour), and I think Broad is likely to get more out of the pitches with his extra height and ability to bowl a bit back of a length. It's a good point re: the economy rate though as a seam attack of Archer, Broad, Wood and Stokes may be somewhat over-attacking!
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i think he has spend far too much of his career bowling too short to be honest. always looks more dangerous when pitching it up, especially as his pace has slowed down
 
Twisted said:
the stat on TMS they said was along these lines - his career divided up into 5 segments - i forget how many tests involved but it was not a small sample size : averaged 39 for the first quite a while, then 31, then somewhere in the 20s, then back up to 30 something, then 19 up to today

overall a fantastic career but he was given quite a long leash. so he spent a good portion of his career steadily working his was down to even just the relatively poor average of 35, wasn't until well into half way through his career his average dipped below 30.

now this isn't an attack on jimmy, he is a tremendous cricketer and has, and still is having, a fantastic career. if anything it shows you the perseverance of the bloke and how much england have benefitted from showing the faith in him that they never showed to plenty of other cricketers over the years.
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It’s a great example of the benefits of sticking with players if the early part of their career, I don’t know say around 48 Tests or something, is less than stellar*.


*according to some.
 
Twisted said:
i think he has spend far too much of his career bowling too short to be honest. always looks more dangerous when pitching it up, especially as his pace has slowed down
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You definitely have a point, particularly early in his career. I still laugh when I consider him as the "Enforcer" around 2010/11, a role he was never suited to. He's always been a much better bowler when bowling a fuller length, but I think on Australian pitches he's more suited to going back of a length than Anderson is.
 
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