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Donald not responding to takeover offers?

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Hep said:
What has got worse, we've gone from a club making a loss to financial stability. The fans anger seems to be just because we missed out on promotion and a dodgy article from the daily mail.

We are the exact issues and what is the 'something' that has to be done?
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We missed out on promotion last season after an absolute balls up of the highest order by the board and recruitment team. Losing THE best player in the division because they thought they were clever and replacing them with someone injured at a higher cost then failing to put right their failure in the following two windows while also selling off any future hope we have by overseeing the delivery of shamefully embarrassing feeder sides and selling our future hope to cope with it.

Financially ? We are a business with a big infrastructure in a low income league surrounded by small compact clubs, having failed to use our higher income to get us into a more sustainable league. We have savaged our outlay to fit our dreadful income which has reduced as a result of failure. That works for the person trying to sell (look at our books, low spend, 'balanced') but not the person buying with a need for high investment to make progress and be worth more.

So taking into account that business wise we have messed up our level/potential level of income which is a bad business decision, here's a question.. what isn't worse ?
 

Gaz said:
but they said towards the end of year 1 the finances were great and on target to make a profit. Then continued to cost cut and sell and take on a loan
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You don't stop cost cutting when you get to the break even point. The idea is to make a profit.
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Do some research, mate. It been covered on here over an over with very little reference to the Daily Mail article. There's even a thread on twitter about some of it that's been linked on here in the last couple of days.

If you don't know already I suspect you never will though for whatever motive you have.
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What a crap answer, I ask a question and you tell to go and find the answer elsewhere.
No. 1 is Gary Rowell said:
Having played a game more than all the teams above us and in the worse run of form than all the teams above us
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and yet still just 1 game of 2nd place.
sir rowell cummins said:
We missed out on promotion last season after an absolute balls up of the highest order by the board and recruitment team. Losing THE best player in the division because they thought they were clever and replacing them with someone injured at a higher cost then failing to put right their failure in the following two windows while also selling off any future hope we have by overseeing the delivery of shamefully embarrassing feeder sides and selling our future hope to cope with it.

Financially ? We are a business with a big infrastructure in a low income league surrounded by small compact clubs, having failed to use our higher income to get us into a more sustainable league. We have savaged our outlay to fit our dreadful income which has reduced as a result of failure. That works for the person trying to sell (look at our books, low spend, 'balanced') but not the person buying with a need for high investment to make progress and be worth more.

So taking into account that business wise we have messed up our level/potential level of income which is a bad business decision, here's a question.. what isn't worse ?
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Maja left, we could do nothing to stop that. It wasn't in our gift to keep him. Grigg hasn't worked out so far, but if we hadn't pushed the boat out for him we'd be abused even more for that.

Reducing your outgoings to match your income works for everyone. There isn't a queue of people lining up to invest huge sums to make progress, that's the core problem. So as SD doesn't have massive personal wealth he has no choice but to make the club work within its income. Like or not, it's the only option.

If someone comes in who's prepared to run the club at a loss as a gamble, then it would be different. But given, we're not even sure when we'll get fans back in the stadium and the expected global recession, I doubt many people are looking for clubs to chuck millions at.

So I agree, an owner willing to invest £500m would be great, but that's not reality.
 
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Hep said:
You don't stop cost cutting when you get to the break even point. The idea is to make a profit.

What a crap answer, I ask a question and you tell to go and find the answer elsewhere.

and yet still just 1 game of 2nd place.
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Having played more games than the rest....or were you expecting Wycombe, Oxford, Fleetwood, Portsmouth and Peterborough all to lose there next game (2 games in Wycombes case)
 
No. 1 is Gary Rowell said:
Having played more games than the rest....or were you expecting Wycombe, Oxford, Fleetwood, Portsmouth and Peterborough all to lose there next game (2 games in Wycombes case)
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No one knows what could have happened. The point was we were in with a good chance. Blaming the owners over one or two results is very short sighted.
 
Anyone who can't see the abject football decision-making of the club over the past two years is either not looking properly or being disingenuous. It'd be a FAR quicker conversation for Donald's defenders to point me in the direction of good football decisions made during their tenure. Shouldn't take them long to list them.
 
Hep said:
Maja left, we could do nothing to stop that. It wasn't in our gift to keep him.
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Errm Maja was under contract to us when he left - that is about as much in our gift as possible. One option could have been to sit him and his agent down and explain quite clearly we wouldn't be selling him and then he would have been ours until the end of the season and would have potentially been promoted. At that point Maja could have left for free (or small compensation) or signed a new contract if he chose to. How on earth can you think we couldn't have stopped him leaving when he was under contract to us?
 
Hep said:
You don't stop cost cutting when you get to the break even point. The idea is to make a profit.

What a crap answer, I ask a question and you tell to go and find the answer elsewhere.

and yet still just 1 game of 2nd place.

Maja left, we could do nothing to stop that. It wasn't in our gift to keep him. Grigg hasn't worked out so far, but if we hadn't pushed the boat out for him we'd be abused even more for that.

Reducing your outgoings to match your income works for everyone. There isn't a queue of people lining up to invest huge sums to make progress, that's the core problem. So as SD doesn't have massive personal wealth he has no choice but to make the club work within its income. Like or not, it's the only option.

If someone comes in who's prepared to run the club at a loss as a gamble, then it would be different. But given, we're not even sure when we'll get fans back in the stadium and the expected global recession, I doubt many people are looking for clubs to chuck millions at.

So I agree, an owner willing to invest £500m would be great, but that's not reality.
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I don’t agree on Maja. They made a mess of it. Arrogance was the cause. You saw it happen- ‘they’re taking the piss’ to ‘offer them some more last minute’. As for a replacement .... he either stayed and they made that clear, or they planned for a replacement in advance not at the end of January. Sorry like but saying the club had no responsibility for the lack of early negotiation and the consequent bad signing is bollocks and a narrative they had you believe which was shown to be a balls up on TV.

As for struggling for investment, the whole world isn’t bankrupt. Investors invest in things that are good value. The profit comes when income goes up AND expenditure is under control. It doesn’t work without both. Our income has reduced has it not ? Our product is worse is it not ? If we were promoted last season or this season and had a sniff of premier league income and a parachute left would it not be easier to get investors ? Of course it would. Even from a business perspective they have made a hash of it. I’d say not investing in the playing side at all levels In the right way at the Right time will cost them a small fortune financially and has cost us fans a club making progress /hope. So ... what have they improved since they started? Name something.
 
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Errm Maja was under contract to us when he left - that is about as much in our gift as possible. One option could have been to sit him and his agent down and explain quite clearly we wouldn't be selling him and then he would have been ours until the end of the season and would have potentially been promoted. At that point Maja could have left for free (or small compensation) or signed a new contract if he chose to. How on earth can you think we couldn't have stopped him leaving when he was under contract to us?
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We could apparently do nothing to stop Maja leaving, but just so happened to ‘sell’ him to one of the clubs we owed money to
 
Mark E Smith said:
We’ve certainly got more of claim to have been “hard done by” than those daft bastards up the road, yet the MSM still fawn all over them.
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Problem is in the modern world of the premier league we aren’t seen as a big club. None of the media or younger fans give a shit about our titles or cup wins cos we’ve never played in the champions league. That’s the yard stick now. What happened to Blackpool was shocking but it never got any real attention in the media cos nobody gave a shit. Same with us. In their eyes it’s a bigger travesty that man united might only play in the Europa league.
 
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He doesn't have to engage with every potential buyer.

If Donald takes a look at the approach and thinks its a pile of cack then fair enough. If the people who made that approach then go crying to a tin pot local newspaper that doesn't suggest they are the big league buyers we might all crave does it?
hertsmackem said:
i think you are right, he doesn’t want to sell he hopes he can turn things around. His ego tells him he can do it and he won’t be hounded out. Looks to me like he is here for the long haul !
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I think ego does come it to it in quite a large way. Thats not necessarily a bad thing in this case. I want him to hold out for the best deal retailer just to sell up to the first person who comes knocking. I want him to try and do the right thing whilst he is still here rather than totally give up.
 
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Hep said:
No one knows what could have happened. The point was we were in with a good chance. Blaming the owners over one or two results is very short sighted.
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

1 or 2 results
Hep said:
What has got worse, we've gone from a club making a loss to financial stability. The fans anger seems to be just because we missed out on promotion and a dodgy article from the daily mail.

We are the exact issues and what is the 'something' that has to be done?
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Sluper Klev said:
He doesn't have to engage with every potential buyer.

If Donald takes a look at the approach and thinks its a pile of cack then fair enough. If the people who made that approach then go crying to a tin pot local newspaper that doesn't suggest they are the big league buyers we might all crave does it?

I think ego does come it to it in quite a large way. Thats not necessarily a bad thing in this case. I want him to hold out for the best deal retailer just to sell up to the first person who comes knocking. I want him to try and do the right thing whilst he is still here rather than totally give up.
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It’s a shame we didn’t have a trio of American billionaires who were interested in taking over who Donald could sell to
 
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