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Black Lives Matter

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gavrocks said:
If you had said the words properly I would have agreed. what you need to look at is how our teachers and tutors are making our children left wing that if you don't have an opinion that suits them then you are a racist, you can't stand to be proud to be British you can't sing along to the national anthem yet a full Wembley for an England game all sing along to it including black people now they are wanting rugby fans to stop singing sweet low sweet chariot at England games where many black people attending. these left wing people are a danger to our society and youth of today and it was sad to see them hijack the BLM demonstration because it wasn't black people you saw damaging monuments statues and the cenotaph it was white people the same people who demonstrate at the Brexit marches and will most probably have something planned for January 1st when we break free the same people who turn up at the G 20 summits and cause mayhem these people are scum and a danger to the future of our children and grandchildren
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These days, if you say you're English, you'll get arrested and thrown in jail.
 

my opinion and its only that is all murders should incite outrage no matter the colour of the victim or the murderer white people murder whites blacks murder blacks whites murder blacks and blacks murder whites and that is all wrong and every single life matters. What really gets me is when people say if ur white u can not experiance racism which is not true, maybe in a country such as the uk which is traditionally a mainly white country you dont see it but in other countries in the world that are traditionally black countries white people experiance racism and are murdered by blacks just because of the colour of the skin. You dont see protests against this. At the end of the day we are all just people we should not be labeled or treated differently for any reason such as race, age, sex, sexuality etc
 
flanny1 said:
Does institutional racism have an end date?

Too many times people have been told that things will change, it’s very understandable people have had enough and want to live in equal society now.
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Where is it ? We have short lists for jobs that favour minorities ? We have sports stars, actors, presenters, even MPs with a large black contingent? Record numbers of black youngsters at University! And all the while it's white boys that are bottom of the education league table IMSC. All in all the UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, yet this movement is set up as if it's dealing with a comparable issue to the States.
 
Coeus said:
I agree but the statistics, at least in the manner that I have interpreted show a contradictory result to the insinuation that American police are systematically racist.

As for the second sentence, I don't wish to dispute it, I wouldn't know where to begin or where others would begin asserting that as fact. Like I said prior, I'm thankful that I don't have to go through life wondering If I have been treated differently due to the colour of my skin but can also imagine instances where this wasn't the case.

A lot of the discussion to me, bleeds into the disparity of wealth and how people start off in life as opposed to global racism. Either way, America appears to have massive problems on the whole, but here, not so much?
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No doubt poverty is the route of most inequality but it’s a double whammy for BAME. I’m not convinced Britain is any less racist I just think we’re more likely to be discreetly racist over here - ie - we’ll discriminate but not acknowledge that we have.
 
Lanchester said:
What you said was

"So, people saying white lives don't matter??????"

Is anybody saying that? Of course they're not.

That's how it works. People take something that has actually happened - a mixed but generally negative reaction to a banner that said 'white lives matter' over a football match where the players were supporting black lives matter, and tell themselves that "people" are "saying white lives don't matter".
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...so, why the outrage about the banner?
 
themanagersnot2blame said:
No doubt poverty is the route of most inequality but it’s a double whammy for BAME. I’m not convinced Britain is any less racist I just think we’re more likely to be discreetly racist over here - ie - we’ll discriminate but not acknowledge that we have.
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To me, it's pretty shocking and in the face of overwhelming statements that it is the case, still can't comprehend that this country is fundamentally racist.

Would be nice to have a discussion with those who have faced it and figure out how to stop it going forward.
 
It's like us having a round of applause for Bradley just after his death, and some smug twat flying a plane with the message 'All children matter'

....surely all children matter? why would anyone get angry?
 
everstar said:
How about...it's like a game which includes a show of support for those who died at Hillsborough - and a plane flies over with 'all lives matter'

...surely all lives matter? Why would anyone get angry?
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I've seen the exaggerated "its likes" on social media that appear very popular with the majority.

Fact is, it's not really like any of them, it's extremely complex with a myriad of moving parts.

And it does no one any favours by slinging "racist" about imo there.
everstar said:
It's like us having a round of applause for Bradley just after his death, and some smug twat flying a plane with the message 'All children matter'

....surely all children matter? why would anyone get angry?
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I think your grossly oversimplifying the matter.
 
Coeus said:
To me, it's pretty shocking and in the face of overwhelming statements that it is the case, still can't comprehend that this country is fundamentally racist.

Would be nice to have a discussion with those who have faced it and figure out how to stop it going forward.
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You don't think this country is racist? Just click the Twitter bios of people reacting to Ben Mee's speech, or peer into the AllLivesMatter hashtag, or listen to LBC, or log into facebook.

Now, there might not be overt racism, but a more insidious prejudice and jingoism. The "I'm not racist, but..." crowd. The "All lives matter" lot. The kind that say "Well, they've passed through 3 countries, why do they need to come here?" brigade.
 
rubberface said:
...so, why the outrage about the banner?
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I didn't express any outrage at the banner.

Why are you making up things when you say, without any evidence, "So, people saying white lives don't matter??????"
 
gavrocks said:
You can't stand to be proud to be British
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Why do you need to be proud to be British? Would you be ashamed to be Canadian, Hungarian, Kenyan or Brazilian?
You are who you are, you were born British (or were made so via an application) it’s not an achievement - why would you be proud of something you are by default and haven’t done anything to achieve. Are you proud to have brown hair, blue eyes, a birth mark on your shoulder?
My take on pride is that in order for it to have any real meaning there would need to be an opposite outcome that you have managed to avoid whereby you would feel shame if you hadn’t.
 
Whitburnmakem said:
There is absolutely no proof he killed him on purpose or it had anything to do with the colour of his skin he might of done it a million times and it was always going to happen eventually
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He kneeled on his neck for almost ten minutes despite being told from the man on his death bed and bystanders that he couldn't breath ffs
 
The Fish said:
You don't think this country is racist? Just click the Twitter bios of people reacting to Ben Mee's speech, or peer into the AllLivesMatter hashtag, or listen to LBC, or log into facebook.

Now, there might not be overt racism, but a more insidious prejudice and jingoism. The "I'm not racist, but..." crowd. The "All lives matter" lot. The kind that say "Well, they've passed through 3 countries, why do they need to come here?" brigade.
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I'll pass as it sounds thoroughly depressing.

Personally I try not to take the dark side social media as a reflection of real life. As for the "I'm not racist, but... crowd" unless they are practising racism, I'm not sure what measures should be put into place to change it, especially not instantaneously.

Maybe I'm wrong and there actually is a widespread problem here, it would make more sense to me had it been brought up correctly prior to a movement about American police.
 
The Fish said:
You don't think this country is racist? Just click the Twitter bios of people reacting to Ben Mee's speech, or peer into the AllLivesMatter hashtag, or listen to LBC, or log into facebook.

Now, there might not be overt racism, but a more insidious prejudice and jingoism. The "I'm not racist, but..." crowd. The "All lives matter" lot. The kind that say "Well, they've passed through 3 countries, why do they need to come here?" brigade.
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I don't think this country is racist or at least it's not compared to everywhere else.. There are no rights afforded to white people that are not afforded to black people.
That's not to say there are not any amount of people that live in the UK that are racist just that the nation as a whole isn't.

All this white privilege stuff in my opinion is nonsense. It's group privilege, culture privilege not white privilege.
 
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