Jon McLaughlin

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chriswallace85 said:
Yes he should.


And with respect to this, which is apparently now being used by a few as a stick to beat Jon with, let's look at where he has been and what his 'history' is.

After a spell with Harrogate, he spent 6 years with Bradford. After his first season he signed a new one-year contract - shorter term contracts being typical at lower league clubs, as we've found out. That takes him to 2010 where presumably after a couple of good years he puts pen to a 3-year contract. In 2013 Bradford get themselves promoted, with Jon playing in the play-off final. The club tell him he has a future there, so a clause in his contract is activiated and he signs a one year extension. The next summer, he and the club fail to reach an agreement on a new contract and he leaves. That's not running down your contract.

Burton - signs on a one year deal. Again, typical of the League. Ends up spending three seasons there before being released. Clough didn't want him. “We just feel that we want to move into a different direction with a different kind of goalkeeper. The nice thing is we’ve got Stephen Bywater who we will be offering to and hoping he will stay, we think he will. If we start the season with Stephen I don’t think anybody will be too disappointed with that. We wish him (Jon McLaughlin) all the best for whoever he goes next in his career.”

He goes to Hibs on trial, gets a one-year deal. Moves on as the Jocks can't compete financially with us.


That's not a history of playing down contracts, that's the life of a lower level player getting by season to season on short-term contracts.


I'd be interested to know where this idea of him wanting to "double his wages" has come from. Like I say, we've heard all this nonsense before, and we know the club was left worse off for the outcome.
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We will just have to disagree then.

As for where the double wages came from, it came from the Chronicle, see the link I previously posted.
 
hulio102 said:
We will just have to disagree then.

As for where the double wages came from, it came from the Chronicle, see the link I previously posted.
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Well, there's your first issue. The second, is it also came from Donald, and he's not actually quoted as saying "double", nor are any real figures involved.

But let's say it is double. That's an ugly word above a certain level, but that's not where we are. Donald gave it the big 'un about doubling Maja's wages - but Maja was on schoolboy money. I've no doubt what we'll have been offering him was laughable all things considered. Do we know what McLaughlin is on? Let's look at his previous employers again - Bradford, Burton, Hearts. My guess is he's not on an awful lot, yet he has undoubtedly become a very valuable member of the first team here - something he has earned and you cannot take that away from him. To compare his situation to that of Lee Cattermole's is frankly absurd. There's a big big difference between paying £80/40k a week to a player over a long period of time with no-sell on value, to offering circa £5-10k a week to a player you know you'll get value for money on.
chopsfc007 said:
He never played for hibs
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I did mean to edit that. Hearts/Hibs, tomayto tomarto.
 
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Not really sure either party can be blamed unless we know the figures involved and how that fits in with our wage structure that also needs to comply with SMCP which, I understand, needs to be no more than 60% of turnover. I think we'll be sailing quite close to that wind currently, too.
 
David M said:
Not really sure either party can be blamed unless we know the figures involved and how that fits in with our wage structure that also needs to comply with SMCP which, I understand, needs to be no more than 60% of turnover. I think we'll be sailing quite close to that wind currently, too.
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The party that can be blamed is Stewart Donald's as he put all of these players on 2 contracts in the belief it would be someone else's problem after he flitted off with a tidy profit. This is probably the reason he didn't go back to McLaughlin with another offer (as McLaughlin said) as again he expected to have sold.
We are now going to be a position where the 'better' players can walk away and get new clubs but we'll have to renew the contracts of the shite as won't be able to pay for improvements.
Anyone coming in to own us would have had to resign/sign about 15 players to make a squad. Does anyone honestly believe Donald expected it to be him doing it?
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
The party that can be blamed is Stewart Donald's as he put all of these players on 2 contracts in the belief it would be someone else's problem after he flitted off with a tidy profit. This is probably the reason he didn't go back to McLaughlin with another offer (as McLaughlin said) as again he expected to have sold.
We are now going to be a position where the 'better' players can walk away and get new clubs but we'll have to renew the contracts of the shite as won't be able to pay for improvements.
Anyone coming in to own us would have had to resign/sign about 15 players to make a squad. Does anyone honestly believe Donald expected it to be him doing it?
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No, his plan is collapsing around him, I hope him and is 2 mates loose money, how the fuck Juan looses money for his £1 investment I have no idea, the banker in the background?
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
The party that can be blamed is Stewart Donald's as he put all of these players on 2 contracts in the belief it would be someone else's problem after he flitted off with a tidy profit. This is probably the reason he didn't go back to McLaughlin with another offer (as McLaughlin said) as again he expected to have sold.
We are now going to be a position where the 'better' players can walk away and get new clubs but we'll have to renew the contracts of the shite as won't be able to pay for improvements.
Anyone coming in to own us would have had to resign/sign about 15 players to make a squad. Does anyone honestly believe Donald expected it to be him doing it?
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Given we had 2 years of parachute payments left I don't believe handing out 2 year contracts was a bad idea and it appears 2 year deals are the norm at this level. Additionally, wage structure-wise we were a basket case and we're probably still running a little higher than comfortable for a 3rd tier club but it's more manageable now.
I'm guessing that in initial discussions JM's side came with a figure and SD hasn't agreed and asked them to reconsider their figures in order to begin official negotiations and JM's side haven't, i.e. the ball's in their court. It's probably not lost on all sides that an out of contract player does have an advantage in negotiations to ask for a bit more as the signing club hasn't had to shell out a transfer fee. Maybe this reflects in what JM is asking for?

I think your point about new owners having to pay for new players is moot as very rarely are players bought for any significant amounts, if at all, at this level. Of course, being able to sign the better out-of-contract players from other clubs relies on our recruitment team being able to identify these and persuading them that Sunderland is the best choice for them.

Another issue we may have is that anyone signing a contract from this summer onwards may need to be so with the rumoured salary cap in mind, with exceptions only being provided to those clubs whose players signed contracts starting before 2020.
 
David M said:
Given we had 2 years of parachute payments left I don't believe handing out 2 year contracts was a bad idea and it appears 2 year deals are the norm at this level. Additionally, wage structure-wise we were a basket case and we're probably still running a little higher than comfortable for a 3rd tier club but it's more manageable now.
I'm guessing that in initial discussions JM's side came with a figure and SD hasn't agreed and asked them to reconsider their figures in order to begin official negotiations and JM's side haven't, i.e. the ball's in their court. It's probably not lost on all sides that an out of contract player does have an advantage in negotiations to ask for a bit more as the signing club hasn't had to shell out a transfer fee. Maybe this reflects in what JM is asking for?

I think your point about new owners having to pay for new players is moot as very rarely are players bought for any significant amounts, if at all, at this level. Of course, being able to sign the better out-of-contract players from other clubs relies on our recruitment team being able to identify these and persuading them that Sunderland is the best choice for them.

Another issue we may have is that anyone signing a contract from this summer onwards may need to be so with the rumoured salary cap in mind, with exceptions only being provided to those clubs whose players signed contracts starting before 2020.
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Players cost money whether its transfer fees or increased wages if free agents. Surely you can see Donald wasn't expecting it to be his problem?
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
The party that can be blamed is Stewart Donald's as he put all of these players on 2 contracts in the belief it would be someone else's problem after he flitted off with a tidy profit. This is probably the reason he didn't go back to McLaughlin with another offer (as McLaughlin said) as again he expected to have sold.
We are now going to be a position where the 'better' players can walk away and get new clubs but we'll have to renew the contracts of the shite as won't be able to pay for improvements.
Anyone coming in to own us would have had to resign/sign about 15 players to make a squad. Does anyone honestly believe Donald expected it to be him doing it?
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There's a fair chance that McLaughlin wants a last big pay day and that his demands are more easily met by a club like Blackburn giving him a hefty signing on fee as he is on a free. Its all guess work. What is not guess work is that Donald is a very poor negotiator - he exposed that when he let Maja walk all over him and got absolutely fleeced by Wigan for Grigg - he's a soft touch in a game full of sharks. McLaughlin is decent but no more - the real worry is that while he is replaceable we seem to replace decent players with worse replacements. The only exception seems to be at CB where we have done canny business (which could be undone if Wright goes).
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
There's a fair chance that McLaughlin wants a last big pay day and that his demands are more easily met by a club like Blackburn giving him a hefty signing on fee as he is on a free. Its all guess work. What is not guess work is that Donald is a very poor negotiator - he exposed that when he let Maja walk all over him and got absolutely fleeced by Wigan for Grigg - he's a soft touch in a game full of sharks. McLaughlin is decent but no more - the real worry is that while he is replaceable we seem to replace decent players with worse replacements. The only exception seems to be at CB where we have done canny business (which could be undone if Wright goes).
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Sadly, I personally do not think he deserves a last "big pay day" as you eloquently put it.. I've not seen anything that says he is a standout player for us..He is decent in his position but that's it. No Donald and his mates have known this since last summer and will have made provisions for his replacement.....Fuck me , it that another elephant flying by!
 
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