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Hep said:
Given the size of the universe, I would think that chance is quite high.

look at the number of planets estimated to be able to sustain life. Then think what stages they’ll be at. A vast number will be way beyond our technology.
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There are a number of assumptions necessary to make that judgement. Not least of which:

1. Life happens everywhere it can. Or at least in a significant number of places where it can.
2. Life happened on Earth at an average or slow rate compared with other planets.
3. Life tends not to die out / Civilisations tend not to end.

There's also a big elephant in the room, namely that life tends to expand into every place it can, particularly intelligent life. If there were other civilisations that arrived before ours that are so much more advanced than us, then why haven't they colonised our whole galaxy (including Earth, considering how lushous, fertile and habitable our planet is compared with most)?

And also, if there were civilisations that have existed a long time before ours that were a lot more advanced than ours, where are all the dyson spheres tapping energy from stars? Or indeed the supermassive black hole at the centre of the galaxy?

Also, some planet has to be the first one that intelligent life evolves on. It could be ours for all we know.

Essentially, there are way too many variables for us to be making the assumption that intelligent life currently lives elsewhere in the universe. It might, or it might have died out already at some point in the 13.8bn years before the human race existed and left no trace at all that it was ever here, or it might not have evolved yet elsewhere. We just don't know.
 


niceonemarra said:
There is a million bits of info out there to debunk, I started my research as a 100% non believer. It took me about 6 months before I made my mind up that the alien thing is genuinely real. It wasn't 1 or 2 bits of information that convinced me, it was the subject as a whole.

If you are thinking of researching the subject I suggest you start with The 2001 Disclosure Project and move on from there. (I'm not saying the disclosure project is real or true)
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The Disclosure Project

On that historic Wednesday - May 9, 2001 - over 20 military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National...
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This is a canny watch.
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I Know What I Saw

I Know What I Saw is a documentary guaranteed to change the way we see the universe. Director James Fox assembled the most credible UFO witnesses from...
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@tunstall birdman will enjoy that one^
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The latter is a very thought provoking documentary indeed.
 
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay said:
Thats the problem with accomplished liars, fraudsters, con(wo)men etc. One's even in 10 downing st now. They might also just be convinced themselves, but wrong, like the ones who've seen Venus and so on.

The fame, the money, the books, the notoriety? I might do it myself one day, nothing more convincing than a reformed sceptic.
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A couple of years or so back Shaun Ryder of all people hosted a ufo investigation series which was pretty good.

In one episode he interviewed a family from Yorkshire or Lancashire I think, a grandmother, mother and grandkids in a car when they all witnessed a ufo hovering over their car. They had absolutely no reason to lie and had reported what they had seen. Seriously I just don't get it that every single quality sighting like that one is down to a family deciding one day to dream up something like that for no reason.
 
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fyl2u said:
There's also a big elephant in the room, namely that life tends to expand into every place it can, particularly intelligent life. If there were other civilisations that arrived before ours that are so much more advanced than us, then why haven't they colonised our whole galaxy (including Earth, considering how lushous, fertile and habitable our planet is compared with most)?
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It's only habitable for life that has evolved to exactly fit the conditions. This wouldn't apply to beings from another world, as it is unlikely we'd ever find a planet we can just walk out on.
skullmeister said:
A couple of years or so back Shaun Ryder of all people hosted a ufo investigation series which was pretty good.

In one episode he interviewed a family from Yorkshire or Lancashire I think, a grandmother, mother and grandkids in a car when they all witnessed a ufo hovering over their car. They had absolutely no reason to lie and had reported what they had seen. Seriously I just don't get it that every single quality sighting like that one is down to a family deciding one day to dream up something like that for no reason.
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Aye, no reason for them to lie at all :rolleyes:

People will do absolutely f***ing anything to get their faces on the box man. Being the stars of a programme hosted by a cultural icon such as he is a no-brainer.
 
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TwasOnTheFifthOfMay said:
It's only habitable for life that has evolved to exactly fit the conditions. This wouldn't apply to beings from another world, as it is unlikely we'd ever find a planet we can just walk out on.
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There are a limited number of elements in the periodic table, and a limited number of those that are reactive enough (while not being too reactive) to allow life to evolve from them. If there really were so many other civilisations out there, a significant number of them would be carbon-based and reliant on oxygen.
 
fyl2u said:
There are a limited number of elements in the periodic table, and a limited number of those that are reactive enough (while not being too reactive) to allow life to evolve from them. If there really were so many other civilisations out there, a significant number of them would be carbon-based and reliant on oxygen.
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For something to evolve it has to start out as a molecule that reproduces itself, but with random mutations each time. So far we only know of DNA, but...

In any case, it can only evolve to fit local conditions on its own planet, not ours. And we can't even survive underwater on our own planet, even though our ancestors lived there.
 
MattyM 09/109 said:
I dont know who the termite equivalent of graham norton is but if a see a termite on its own miles away from anywhere that has 4 antenna and webbed feet i might have a closer look.
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A pubic crab?
haway said:
The problem when talking about giant metaphysical problems like whether or not we live in a simulation, whether or not god exists etc. is that almost everyone agrees there’s a “chance” of any of them. But we have nowhere near the knowledge or intellect to assign probabilities to the respective chances.

Regarding UFO sightings, I think we have a better chance of assigning a probability as to whether or not what is observed is other life forms. My position would be that it would hardly be a massive shock if it turned out aliens observed our planet and what was happening (much like we sometimes observe untouched tribes in the rainforest with drones).

However whenever footage like this comes out my honest answer is that I know nothing about interpreting IR from military jets or whatever. I certainly don’t believe there is a long-standing CIA cover-up of alien life. However I also know humans are very good at dismissing things which don’t fit with our pre-existing beliefs. So if we don’t believe aliens observe earth, then we will explain away sightings because the starting position is it cannot be UFO’s.

TLDR; I think aliens almost certainly exist (somewhere), there’s no reason to think if they do that they wouldn’t observe earth, but there’s so much bollocks around UFO’s I struggle to believe that footage like this is “proof” of anything.
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I agree with most of what you are saying but the last line you say about 'proof', is proof that there are objects classed as 'UAP', that were detected by radar and visually witnessed by observing pilots, that the American military has failed to identify.
fyl2u said:
In an era where even our phones have high definition cameras on them, why do these "highly trained military fighter pilots" have such shite video cameras on their planes?
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I listened to a podcast one of the pilots getting interviewed about the footage he recorded and he stated that the original footage, than that which was released/leaked, was of far higher quality.
He also stated that the 'Brick' he recorded it on, was took away from the safe it was stored in on the ship, by two personnel who were not in uniform and arrived on the carrier by helicopter. He stated that this had never happened before or since, in his time of service.
 
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skullmeister said:
There are some pretty good witnesses who are 100% believable and I just don't see why some people would wake up one day and decide to lie about seeing a ufo.
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They're probably convinced that they did see one, and aren't lying at all and give their accounts in good faith. But in general, people are prone to lots of errors in perception and memory and are often very bad at judging things like distance and speed, especially of poorly seen things in bad light, but none of us like to think that is the case, and it may feel it isn't the case - but we are.

There's been some interesting research on witnesses and what they saw, think they saw, and remember seeing, and it's amazing how one event can be seen/remembered completely differently by people who saw the same physical thing. Even the language used to ask questions of them can change their answers (e.g. all see same video of crashing car, those witnesses just asked to estimate 'the speed of the car in the accident' give a different answer to those asked to estimate 'the speed of the car that smashed into the wall' who give a higher estimate of mph).
 
fyl2u said:
There are a number of assumptions necessary to make that judgement. Not least of which:

1. Life happens everywhere it can. Or at least in a significant number of places where it can.
2. Life happened on Earth at an average or slow rate compared with other planets.
3. Life tends not to die out / Civilisations tend not to end.

There's also a big elephant in the room, namely that life tends to expand into every place it can, particularly intelligent life. If there were other civilisations that arrived before ours that are so much more advanced than us, then why haven't they colonised our whole galaxy (including Earth, considering how lushous, fertile and habitable our planet is compared with most)?

And also, if there were civilisations that have existed a long time before ours that were a lot more advanced than ours, where are all the dyson spheres tapping energy from stars? Or indeed the supermassive black hole at the centre of the galaxy?

Also, some planet has to be the first one that intelligent life evolves on. It could be ours for all we know.

Essentially, there are way too many variables for us to be making the assumption that intelligent life currently lives elsewhere in the universe. It might, or it might have died out already at some point in the 13.8bn years before the human race existed and left no trace at all that it was ever here, or it might not have evolved yet elsewhere. We just don't know.
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13.8bn years is not very much when you have 2trillion x 40billion planets.

those numbers suggest intelligent life has, did and will exist in multiple places.

why haven’t they colonised, space and distance. We all may just be too far apart regardless of technology to get to each other. The laws of physics limit even the most advanced tech.

we could be the first, although that would be higher odds than winning the lottery every week for a year.
 
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Hep said:
13.8bn years is not very much when you have 2trillion x 40billion planets.

those numbers suggest intelligent life has, did and will exist in multiple places.

why haven’t they colonised, space and distance. We all may just be too far apart regardless of technology to get to each other. The laws of physics limit even the most advanced tech.

we could be the first, although that would be higher odds than winning the lottery every week for a year.
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The point is, in 13.8bn years, we've been around for a tiny fraction of it, recording our history for a tiny fraction of that, and with the technology and knowledge to recognise the possibility of alien life for a tiny fraction of that, and with the potential of destroying all life on the planet for the majority of that last fraction. So, even if we even make the assumption that we're near the middle of the distribution for the speed of life emerging in the universe, how long do civilisations last on average in the universe after reaching that point? How long are they interested in colonisation or exploration of other worlds during that time? How many of them get to the point in technology where they CAN travel the distances required to visit us? The possibility of them being around our planet right now while we're at this stage become smaller and smaller the more of these questions you ask.

Bearing in mind the speed of light, the chances anyone in our "spacetime light-cone" is at just the right stage of development where they could and would visit us right now are very small indeed.
 
skullmeister said:
For those that don't believe life is elsewhere they only have one answer as to how life started here = God.

Either God created life here and only here or the laws science dictate that life evolves according to that world's particular conditions.

Or a combination of both?
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If God exist's who created God?
 
tunstall birdman said:
A pubic crab?

I agree with most of what you are saying but the last line you say about 'proof', is proof that there are objects classed as 'UAP', that were detected by radar and visually witnessed by observing pilots, that the American military has failed to identify.
I listened to a podcast one of the pilots getting interviewed about the footage he recorded and he stated that the original footage, than that which was released/leaked, was of far higher quality.
He also stated that the 'Brick' he recorded it on, was took away from the safe it was stored in on the ship, by two personnel who were not in uniform and arrived on the carrier by helicopter. He stated that this had never happened before or since, in his time of service.
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The Joe Rogan show? You can get some good podcasts now and again from Rogan like.
 
dangermows said:
Imagine thinking because there's life here there must be life elsewhere :lol:
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Well they used to think the earth was the centre of the universe and everything orbited us. 100 years ago we thought the Milky Way was the only galaxy. 40 years ago we knew of no planets external to the solar system. We've gradually removed almost everything that makes us unique or important except that we may still be the only life in the entire universe. I'm sure that has to go too, as the final logical step.
 
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