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niceonemarra said:
The first video in the opening post. Can you debunk it?
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I'm open minded about and i'd like to think they exist. However, the videos posted prove nothing so there is nothing to debunk. It's the job of the believers to provide proof and conclusive evidence. It's not up to the cynics to prove they don't exist, so far the only evidence we have is that they don't. Or at least, that we don't know about them.
 


haway said:
The problem when talking about giant metaphysical problems like whether or not we live in a simulation, whether or not god exists etc. is that almost everyone agrees there’s a “chance” of any of them. But we have nowhere near the knowledge or intellect to assign probabilities to the respective chances.

Regarding UFO sightings, I think we have a better chance of assigning a probability as to whether or not what is observed is other life forms. My position would be that it would hardly be a massive shock if it turned out aliens observed our planet and what was happening (much like we sometimes observe untouched tribes in the rainforest with drones).

However whenever footage like this comes out my honest answer is that I know nothing about interpreting IR from military jets or whatever. I certainly don’t believe there is a long-standing CIA cover-up of alien life. However I also know humans are very good at dismissing things which don’t fit with our pre-existing beliefs. So if we don’t believe aliens observe earth, then we will explain away sightings because the starting position is it cannot be UFO’s.

TLDR; I think aliens almost certainly exist (somewhere), there’s no reason to think if they do that they wouldn’t observe earth, but there’s so much bollocks around UFO’s I struggle to believe that footage like this is “proof” of anything.
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There absolutely is a way to assign probability to the existence of aliens that are at a stage of development whereby they could / would want to communicate with us. It's called the Drake Equation.

Drake equation - Wikipedia

Unfortunately a number of the terms require speculative estimates, which makes it a bit of a waste of time for anything except utter conjecture or discussions along the lines of "if this is this and that is that, then the chance would be somewhere between this and this", but it has little value beyond that kind of thing.

The Fermi Paradox responds to the optimistic solutions to the Drake Equation with the simple question "Where is everybody?" Fermi paradox - Wikipedia

An interesting consequence of this question is the Great Filter hypothesis. Great Filter - Wikipedia

TLDR; The universe has been around for 13.8bn years. It would be a gargantuan coincidence if we happened to be alive at the same time another civilisation from elsewhere happened to be at a point in their own development where they would be a: technologically advanced enough to visit us and b: interested in us in the slightest.
 
Mackem Al said:
I'm open minded about and i'd like to think they exist. However, the videos posted prove nothing so there is nothing to debunk. It's the job of the believers to provide proof and conclusive evidence. It's not up to the cynics to prove they don't exist, so far the only evidence we have is that they don't. Or at least, that we don't know about them.
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I've never seen no aliens or ufos but from what i've seen the do exist.
 
fyl2u said:
There absolutely is a way to assign probability to the existence of aliens that are at a stage of development whereby they could / would want to communicate with us. It's called the Drake Equation.

Drake equation - Wikipedia

Unfortunately a number of the terms require speculative estimates, which makes it a bit of a waste of time for anything except utter conjecture or discussions along the lines of "if this is this and that is that, then the chance would be somewhere between this and this", but it has little value beyond that kind of thing.

The Fermi Paradox responds to the optimistic solutions to the Drake Equation with the simple question "Where is everybody?" Fermi paradox - Wikipedia

An interesting consequence of this question is the Great Filter hypothesis. Great Filter - Wikipedia

TLDR; The universe has been around for 13.8bn years. It would be a gargantuan coincidence if we happened to be alive at the same time another civilisation from elsewhere happened to be at a point in their own development where they would be a: technologically advanced enough to visit us and b: interested in us in the slightest.
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Posted this on here before but this is an excellent explanation of the great filter and a few other bits The Fermi Paradox - Wait But Why
 
It may have been mentioned but lots of pilots have reported foo fighters.
I hope there are aliens and they are reporting back on how not to fuck an eco system up.
 
fyl2u said:
There absolutely is a way to assign probability to the existence of aliens that are at a stage of development whereby they could / would want to communicate with us. It's called the Drake Equation.

Drake equation - Wikipedia

Unfortunately a number of the terms require speculative estimates, which makes it a bit of a waste of time for anything except utter conjecture or discussions along the lines of "if this is this and that is that, then the chance would be somewhere between this and this", but it has little value beyond that kind of thing.

The Fermi Paradox responds to the optimistic solutions to the Drake Equation with the simple question "Where is everybody?" Fermi paradox - Wikipedia

An interesting consequence of this question is the Great Filter hypothesis. Great Filter - Wikipedia

TLDR; The universe has been around for 13.8bn years. It would be a gargantuan coincidence if we happened to be alive at the same time another civilisation from elsewhere happened to be at a point in their own development where they would be a: technologically advanced enough to visit us and b: interested in us in the slightest.
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Good read that like mate cheers I'd like to hope there was but I think if there was they wouldn't be advanced as us... or maybe they did get to around our stage and went extinct hence why we don't see anything?

I do think there will be other life out there though maybe just microscopic or in a sea of some planet.
 
Hep said:
I don’t get why people question if aliens exist. They are a mathematical certainty.
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I don't think anyone is questioning whether or not there's life elsewhere. (Although scientifically-speaking it is not a mathematical certainty at all ;) ).

The question is whether or not we've been visited by any.
 
fyl2u said:
There absolutely is a way to assign probability to the existence of aliens that are at a stage of development whereby they could / would want to communicate with us. It's called the Drake Equation.

Drake equation - Wikipedia

Unfortunately a number of the terms require speculative estimates, which makes it a bit of a waste of time for anything except utter conjecture or discussions along the lines of "if this is this and that is that, then the chance would be somewhere between this and this", but it has little value beyond that kind of thing.

The Fermi Paradox responds to the optimistic solutions to the Drake Equation with the simple question "Where is everybody?" Fermi paradox - Wikipedia

An interesting consequence of this question is the Great Filter hypothesis. Great Filter - Wikipedia

TLDR; The universe has been around for 13.8bn years. It would be a gargantuan coincidence if we happened to be alive at the same time another civilisation from elsewhere happened to be at a point in their own development where they would be a: technologically advanced enough to visit us and b: interested in us in the slightest.
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Given the size of the universe, I would think that chance is quite high.

look at the number of planets estimated to be able to sustain life. Then think what stages they’ll be at. A vast number will be way beyond our technology.
fyl2u said:
I don't think anyone is questioning whether or not there's life elsewhere. (Although scientifically-speaking it is not a mathematical certainty at all ;) ).

The question is whether or not we've been visited by any.
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With estimates of 40 billion planets capable of sustaining life, I thinks it’s almost definite that other life forms exist.
 
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niceonemarra said:
That's what i used to think. My reason for researching it was because my dinner break marra who i sit with in the canteen said he believed in aliens and i took the piss out of him but later felt bad about it because of his reaction.

I was listening to the radio a few nights later and heard a presenter say its probably true that aliens are out there. It was then I decided to research it a bit more and spent over a year doing so, also quite enjoyed it so I've probably gained enough information to write a book about it.

I have read many paperback books, I've attended lectures, I have spoke on the radio about it to over a million listeners, watched countless hours of internet footage (not on youtube) and researched eye witness as well as government footage and documents. I have done pretty extensive research.
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There are some pretty good witnesses who are 100% believable and I just don't see why some people would wake up one day and decide to lie about seeing a ufo.

When you look at the size of the universe its inconceivable that earth is the only place life has developed as the conditions bere will pretty common elswhere. Life thrives here on earth in a variety of qdifferent places and temperatures so why not elswhere.

Give us another 500 years, without destroying ourselves, and we wil have figured out how to travel huge distances in different ways than we know now.
 
Hep said:
Given the size of the universe, I would think that chance is quite high.

look at the number of planets estimated to be able to sustain life. Then think what stages they’ll be at. A vast number will be way beyond our technology.

With estimates of 40 billion planets capable of sustaining life, I thinks it’s almost definite that other life forms exist.
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Sorry, that 40 billion is just in our galaxy- there are two trillion other galaxies.
 
Hep said:
Sorry, that 40 billion is just in our galaxy- there are two trillion other galaxies.
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For those that don't believe life is elsewhere they only have one answer as to how life started here = God.

Either God created life here and only here or the laws science dictate that life evolves according to that world's particular conditions.

Or a combination of both?
 
skullmeister said:
There are some pretty good witnesses who are 100% believable
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Thats the problem with accomplished liars, fraudsters, con(wo)men etc. One's even in 10 downing st now. They might also just be convinced themselves, but wrong, like the ones who've seen Venus and so on.
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and I just don't see why some people would wake up one day and decide to lie about seeing a ufo.
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The fame, the money, the books, the notoriety? I might do it myself one day, nothing more convincing than a reformed sceptic.
 
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