Nottingham forest glory years

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spiritofcharlie said:
There are several brilliant resources to learn all about Clough.

The Pat Murphy biography, the Peter Taylor book With Clough, The Damned United, Bloody Southerners, to name but a few.

Take your time, it is a rich tale. The Jonathan Wilson book is very good - Nobody ever says Thank You.

With Clough, his upbringing, his time at Boro, his poor treatment by the Safc board and the joyride car crash of the Derby/Leeds years are all riveting, at times, sensational real life stuff.

Enjoy.
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Provided You Don't Kiss Me by Duncan Hamilton is the best
 


SpiritofBurnden said:
It wasn't easier otherwise the bigger teams would have won it every year.
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Size of the team has noting to do with it. In the old format, you only had to miss 1 Italian team or 1 Spanish team. In this format, there are 4 from each country. As I said previously, the UEFA Cup often had the best teams from a particular country at the time of the competition. Nowadays, the best team in a particular country will almost certainly be in the CL.
 
Paddy O'Dors said:
European Cup was a bit easier to win back then with a kind draw tbf.

Liverpool were consistently good for 2 decades and re-invented teams seamlessly when the life cycle of one was coming to an end. Forest had a couple of years fighting for the league title then just seemed to win the League Cup every other year.

Robertson was inconsistent. For every good game he had a couple of crap ones. Smoked 40 tabs a day or summat anarl.

Forest have still been champions of Europe more times than all the big London clubs combined though.
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But you had to be in to win it. And you had to be best in England. Not second best never mind fourth. Liverpool won last year but wouldnt have had opportunity under old rules. Any argument standard was lower then is counter balanced by this very fact.
 
Clough was one of those managers who are able to assemble a team of good players and fuse them into a whole who were way better than a sum of the parts. McGovern and O'Neill in midfield were ordinary enough but he had them playing like world beaters.

Like Alex Ferguson he would have the team a little afraid/in awe of him and at the same time willing to run through brick walls for him. I think Klopp has the same effect on his teams for what its worth.
 
rentaghost said:
Forest had some very good players but they were brilliantly coached and managed and made the absolute most of their ability. Many of their players were good but wouldn't have been sought by top teams. Bowyer, McGovern, O'Neill were decent functional players and they had older players that seemed washed up prior such as Larry Lloyd, Frank Clark and to some extent Kenny Burns who has a converted centre back. However they played great stuff and were superbly coached. Were defensively excellent and in Shilton and Robertson had two world class players and Woodcock was also superb. It was when they started to spend big money that it started to unravel a bit.
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John Robertson deserves a mention.... cigarette smoking winger....have posted on here before the story about Cloughie saying to one of the midfielders.."..look sonny when you get the ball give it to him "(Robertson)...."why "...said the midfielder.. Cloughie replied...."cos he's a better player than you " . ...classic Cloughie
 
Cridge said:
Size of the team has noting to do with it. In the old format, you only had to miss 1 Italian team or 1 Spanish team. In this format, there are 4 from each country. As I said previously, the UEFA Cup often had the best teams from a particular country at the time of the competition. Nowadays, the best team in a particular country will almost certainly be in the CL.
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In the 'old format' all the European leagues were much more evenly matched.

It didn't matter whether you avoided Italian or Spanish teams because there was just as much chance of being eliminated by an eastern European team.

Liverpool were reigning European champions when they were eliminated by Dynamo Tbilisi, Forest were reigning champions when they were eliminated by CSKA Sofia.

In the Champions League teams can lose a couple of group stage games and still go through, there was no such room for error in the European Cup.
 
Benjamin said:
But you had to be in to win it. And you had to be best in England. Not second best never mind fourth. Liverpool won last year but wouldnt have had opportunity under old rules. Any argument standard was lower then is counter balanced by this very fact.
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Which every way you look at it, it’s undoubtedly harder to win the champions league now, for example no way in a million years would a Swedish team make the final now as Malmo did in 1979 when Forest beat them.
 
Shandy drinker said:
good point re. London clubs and the European cup
Not sure if it was easier to win then mind as you did have all the league champions from the previous year taking part and straight knockout
How often does a league champion from a previous season now win the european cup
Has a team won it who have never been champions of their country
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Leverkusen are the only team to have played in the final without winning their league and Forest the only team to have won the European cups more times than their top flight triumphants I believe
 
beezer said:
By the time forest got relegated in 93 it was pretty much accepted he was finished due to ill health ie drink problem. Yet they still won a couple of cups in the early 90s.

Was it widely known over a period of time that the drink was bringing him down or was it something that came on quite suddenly? I was a bit young to remember.

He’d really hit rock bottom by then.
That episode when he was punching QPR fans when they invaded the pitch summed it up for me.
Such a shame as he was an absolute legend.
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He’d really hit rock bottom by then.
That episode when he was punching QPR fans when they invaded the pitch summed it up for me.
Such a shame as he was an absolute legend.
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
Except there weren't really any 'kind' draws.

Every team in it were the champions of their country or the holder of the trophy.
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Unlike the current champions league a team from Finland, Switzerland or perhaps Norway may well appear in the last 16. Some seasons there would be more strength in depth in the old UEFA cup. Some of the teams Liverpool played in the old Europeon Cup were considered pushovers and Anfield would be half full
Cridge said:
Size of the team has noting to do with it. In the old format, you only had to miss 1 Italian team or 1 Spanish team. In this format, there are 4 from each country. As I said previously, the UEFA Cup often had the best teams from a particular country at the time of the competition. Nowadays, the best team in a particular country will almost certainly be in the CL.
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Correct.
 
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Lo Ursem said:
Unlike the current champions league a team from Finland, Switzerland or perhaps Norway may well appear in the last 16. Some seasons there would be more strength in depth in the old UEFA cup. Some of the teams Liverpool played in the old Europeon Cup were considered pushovers and Anfield would be half full
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Unlike the current Champions League there was far more quality across European leagues back then.

Forest beat Swiss team Grasshoppers in their first semi-final. Grasshoppers had beaten Real Madrid in the quarter final.

Liverpool beat Brugge in the final the year before. Brugge had beaten Atletico Madrid and Juventus to reach the final.

Some of the teams that appear in the group stage of the Champions League might be considered 'pushovers'.
 
Cridge said:
Size of the team has noting to do with it. In the old format, you only had to miss 1 Italian team or 1 Spanish team. In this format, there are 4 from each country. As I said previously, the UEFA Cup often had the best teams from a particular country at the time of the competition. Nowadays, the best team in a particular country will almost certainly be in the CL.
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You can lose 3/4 games and win it now man.
Got teams resting players against minnows when they’ve already won a group.
Load of shite
 
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