Tony Davison vs Methven -

[rentaghost]

Folk saying Methven was a failure who lacked professionalism, I couldn’t disagree more. He was the man charged with turning the finances around and he undoubtably succeeded on that score, the club is on an unimaginablely different financial footing to what they inherited. A club losing around £30m a year to a club breaking even in little over a year isn’t a success? Do me a favour. I don’t think some fans realise what a precarious position the club was in under Short.

As for lacking professionalism, all his rants and dressing downs he gave in STID were about professionalism and the club’s lack of it. He quickly recognised what an unprofessional shambles they’d inherited with unmotivated, uninspiring staff who were happy to do the bare minimum whilst picking up decent wages. He quickly set about changing the whole culture throughout the non-playing staff and there were obviously going to be casualties - the unprofessional amongst them. He came in to knock the whole place into shape and did just that, he was exactly what the football club needed at the time.

He was only here for a year man. Walked in had a bit of a preen then fucked off as soon as things got tricky. What sort of leader is that? People like methven make a career out of gullible people like you.

 

[Swindon On Tour]

Some of the figures quoted were absolutely insane. What a financial mess.
The interest alone more than some championship clubs budgets.

there is certainly a lot of truth in what you state hrere re cukture..

but why would they want to change the culture if only taying for a year? jut get promoted getb the profit and let the next guy deal with the culture is what someone tyring to flip it would do..

this board has as one of its most persistent fantansies that donald only intended to stay a short time..no doubt he wanted, and needed, to sell some shares and bring new people in...but there has been the slightest indication he wanted to fuck off..

im nbot methven you bumbling idiot..
but what retunr rn is he getting exactkly? at the moment he is on a loss,,,,because the club hasnt paid him anything but he has put h=in huge amounts of work..every hour he was working here he could have been earning money in his real business..without the hadssle of deadlin with a bunch of fantasists...so at the moment its been a horrendous deal for him...to a huge extent of course thats because of his own actions and incompetence..

in the show..he is the one who paid attention in a presnetiation and most of the staff getting a living off your season ticket moeny didnt pay attention..thats a very low bar but already sets him apart as more professional than that plankton he was dealing with..

he is alkready a hugely succesfukl buiness man..must be regrettung every day he got involved in thi showerr of shite though..

nor will most of the peopel who have run sunderland..niall wuinn certainly never ran a bigger business than safc...and he wont now,..

he i only a deputy ceo of a football adsociation ffs..

bain will never run a bigger club either..

methven may however runa bigger business than safc is..and has worked with mch bigger clubs than safc already..

how. td has never run one and never will..sd and cm are experienced football people same as davidson..daviudisn has wirked with them both multiple times as well...he must rate them and them him..

Don’t be so stupid.
Name a bigger club he (you) have been involved with that is bigger than Sunderland?
Even the Sportsman paper was another failure.

 

[Jack Blue]

I don't get this wembley visits, that doesn't mean success. They had a lot of players left from Premier League, a few top Championship players and top L1 ones. They got us in 5th, the worst finish in history and we're 7th after they put their stamp. They want to do well, CM is very active and all that, but they did a poor job until now.

We were playing at the lowest level in our history. This position was inherited. We could do little other than finish in our lowest position and this was a legacy of the previous administration.

Getting out of this level isn’t easy.

Its not where we want to be but it’s the reality of the situation. They’re light years ahead of Shorts regime.

 

[Randy Savage]

Excellent post I've taken a slating for saying it on here before but there is a nasty underbelly of jealousy and inverse snobbery in our fan base

Him and Donald can’t even get their story straight at times. Is it any wonder he isn't trusted.

 

[raven_5]

We were playing at the lowest level in our history. This position was inherited. We could do little other than finish in our lowest position and this was a legacy of the previous administration.

Getting out of this level isn’t easy.

Its not where we want to be but it’s the reality of the situation. They’re light years ahead of Shorts regime.

I disagree. CM done his part, but Donald is clueless and Ross is good enough for Scottish lower leagues. We're not going far with Donald in charge. He cut costs, same as Bain, but after that he has no idea how to take us further. We need a takeover soon or we're going to spend a lot of seasons at this level.

 

[Jack Blue]

I disagree. CM done his part, but Donald is clueless and Ross is good enough for Scottish lower leagues. We're not going far with Donald in charge. He cut costs, same as Bain, but after that he has no idea how to take us further. We need a takeover soon or we're going to spend a lot of seasons at this level.

When you sack a manager you appoint a new one. We did that when we sacked Ross.

But demanding a change of ownership? Canny - but someone needs to want to buy the club and be willing to part with their own cash to do it. And they need to better than what we’ve got. Do you think that’s easy? I’m not convinced it is.

This club needs to be financially sustainable. The long term vision has to be to be like the Mags but less annoying and with more cup success. Buy players, flog them, use that cash to supplement our income to pay salaries of a higher level than we’d ordinarily be able to and be a Premier Leavue club. If we go down have enough cash to absorb a season or two out, hang onto our best players, come back up, no panic.

 

[raven_5]

When you sack a manager you appoint a new one. We did that when we sacked Ross.

But demanding a change of ownership? Canny - but someone needs to want to buy the club and be willing to part with their own cash to do it. And they need to better than what we’ve got. Do you think that’s easy? I’m not convinced it is.

This club needs to be financially sustainable. The long term vision has to be to be like the Mags but less annoying and with more cup success. Buy players, flog them, use that cash to supplement our income to pay salaries of a higher level than we’d ordinarily be able to and be a Premier Leavue club. If we go down have enough cash to absorb a season or two out, hang onto our best players, come back up, no panic.

Even Doanald said there are a lot of suitors. He owned a 6th tier club, he cut the plastic water bottles and couldn't got them higher, he's way out of his depth at Sunderland. It's clear as day.
His heart is in tge right place maybe, but that's not enough.

 

[JJH]

Heard next to nothing positive from people who had dealings with Tony Davison like. Surprising given his credentials.

I’ve met him a couple of times at meetings. Decent enough person.
He didn’t come across well in STID

What a load of utter bollocks, I thought woman were shouting from the rooftops for equality in the workplace? Surely that’s equality when things are going badly aswell as when things are going well. If someone isn’t doing their job very well, whether they’re a man or a woman, then telling them so is the best way. If she can’t handle a dressing down with a couple of swear words thrown in then maybe a senior position at one of the country’s top football clubs isn’t the job for her.

I’m sure women in the army get shouted at aswell.
There’s a time and place and a mannerism in which to swear at someone irrespective of gender.

 

[Ramona1234]

The weak always confuse discipline with bullying.


Except it wasn’t in front of 47,000 was it. Nobody knew it happened until 15 months later when it appeared on telly!

Aye it easy to make a modern day footballer stay against his will isn’t it? Dear god

Yep, you can at least try. As you know it was more the will of the agent. They didn't fight hard enough and let a 17 goal striker leave with a big hole to fill. You could see how demoralising it was in the documentary to the players. If anyone was prepared to just get on with the job, it was Jack Ross. You basically had a pop at him without considering the hand hew was dealt in that window. You reckon he would have preffered to keep Maja ? Maja could have gone in the Summer and his agent would still have got a payday, if not a bigger one as no transfer fee involved.

There was two options and he let him go without replacing first. Then you have every man and his dog knowing you are desperate. Fernando Torres and Suarez were both denied there will to leave Liverpool for at least one window each for eg. In fact Liverpool bought Suarez before Tores left. It's common sense.

 

[Motor City Cobra]

If you swear in front of women in the workplace you have no class. Only pimps and soft men do it.

Just told my wife this - I won’t post the language She used to describe your view.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

To be fair to Ross, they messed up with Maja. He should have stayed til the end of the season and could have been made to do so.

Have you watched STID2? Maja wanted away. If we had made him stay he would have just downed tools.

 

[Ramona1234]

Have you watched STID2? Maja wanted away. If we had made him stay he would have just downed tools.

Yep he was being very coy, but not once did he say he actually wanted away. He left whatever to his agent and said as much in respect of whatever will be will be. You can't say he would have just downed tools when no one actually knows that. There will be plenty of people that would have expected him to carry on where he was at, including the manager. That part would have been down to the individuals attitude. There was nothing to suggest that his was poor. Players and managers leave clubs at the end of contracts sometimes and both parties know how it is going to play out. They just get on with it.

Don't forget when the agent nonesense was carrying on, Maja was still playing and scoring. Not downing tools or faking injury. If he had downed tools he would probably not end up getting his move due to poor form. It works both ways. We let him and the agent dictate.He had a contract and we held the cards on whether to sell or make him remain til the end of the season. SD made the decision to let him go and then left us open to a piss take from Wigan, which he walked right into. Maja and agent would have made more cash if he'd gone on a free at the end of the season.

 

[Forty]

Have you watched STID2? Maja wanted away. If we had made him stay he would have just downed tools.

He was always going, just like his little mate who went to Swansea.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

Yep he was being very coy, but not once did he say he actually wanted away. He left whatever to his agent and said as much in respecrt of whatever will be will be. You can't say he would have just downed tools when no one actually knows that. There will be plenty of people that would have expected him to carry on where he was at, including the manager. That part would have been down to the individuals attitude. There was nothing to suggest that his was poor.

Don't forget when the agent nonesense was carrying on, Maja was still playing and scoring. Not downing tools or faking injury. If he had downed tools he would probably not end up getting his move due to poor form. It works both ways. We let him and the agent dictate.He had a contract and we held the cards on whether to sell or make him remain til the end of the season. SD made the decision to let him go and then left us open to a piss take from Wigan, which he walked right into.

SAFC in Div3 against Bordeux in L1 and in Europe?

We were never ever at the races.

Everything is easy with hindsight. Of course everyone wants to beat the owner but there were not many on here being critical of the decisions he took at the time including the purchase of Grigg.

He was always going, just like his little mate who went to Swansea.

Agree. Just look at his body language on STID. The Fulwell73 lads easily picked it up.

Some people dont live in the real world thinking we could have kept him and kept his attitude right.

 

[The Rat]

I didn't get that at all. Methven seemed to be key to be fair, but because he went to Eton, wears chinos and told a few fans some home truths he's become a hate figure. He had everything spot on for what I've seen. Certainly not the problem character many had us believe he was.

Good god.

 

[Confucius]

well a guy on the internet made it up so that must be true..davison lives in oxfordshire man..how could he sustain that commute for a long time..

Ooh err, the veil is slipping again, man

 

[Ramona1234]

SAFC in Div3 against Bordeux in L1 and in Europe?

We were never ever at the races.

Everything is easy with hindsight. Of course everyone wants to beat the owner but there were not many on here being critical of the decisions he took at the time including the purchase of Grigg.

Agree. Just look at his body language on STID. The Fulwell73 lads easily picked it up.

Some people dont live in the real world thinking we could have kept him and kept his attitude right.

If you go back to the original post, it wasn't about beating up on the owner. It was Ross who was being beaten up on about ''losing the plot'' after Xmas. The fact that Maja was no longer going to be at his disposal through no choice of his own was being totally overlooked. As for Donald, I felt a bit sorry for him as he wanted to do the best for the club, but he got it wrong. Ofcourse Bordeaux will have held some appeal , but SD still had the choice. Yep, in hindsight he got it wrong. Figures wise we spent 3m on Grigg and got 1m on Maja. We could still have let him go for nothing at the end of the season. It was still Donalds decision. Personally, I thought we've overpaid for a player who has not been playing regular football.

What probably should have happened, if you agree with Maja and agent to let him go, is they keep schtum until you get your forward in. Then goodbye. I didn't see Maja as some Pogba type character. He was still a kid with a lot to prove, so for me he would have shown the right attitude til the end of the season. Indeed he has maintained a healthy relationship and contact with the club since departure. Any animosity was with the agent.

 

[Luna17]

there is certainly a lot of truth in what you state hrere re cukture..

but why would they want to change the culture if only taying for a year? jut get promoted getb the profit and let the next guy deal with the culture is what someone tyring to flip it would do..

this board has as one of its most persistent fantansies that donald only intended to stay a short time..no doubt he wanted, and needed, to sell some shares and bring new people in...but there has been the slightest indication he wanted to fuck off..

im nbot methven you bumbling idiot..
but what retunr rn is he getting exactkly? at the moment he is on a loss,,,,because the club hasnt paid him anything but he has put h=in huge amounts of work..every hour he was working here he could have been earning money in his real business..without the hadssle of deadlin with a bunch of fantasists...so at the moment its been a horrendous deal for him...to a huge extent of course thats because of his own actions and incompetence..

in the show..he is the one who paid attention in a presnetiation and most of the staff getting a living off your season ticket moeny didnt pay attention..thats a very low bar but already sets him apart as more professional than that plankton he was dealing with..

he is alkready a hugely succesfukl buiness man..must be regrettung every day he got involved in thi showerr of shite though..

nor will most of the peopel who have run sunderland..niall wuinn certainly never ran a bigger business than safc...and he wont now,..

he i only a deputy ceo of a football adsociation ffs..

bain will never run a bigger club either..

methven may however runa bigger business than safc is..and has worked with mch bigger clubs than safc already..

how. td has never run one and never will..sd and cm are experienced football people same as davidson..daviudisn has wirked with them both multiple times as well...he must rate them and them him..

Hey Kildare,

Spill the beans man, what is the connection between you and Mr E. Short ?
We all know Mr Short's company is Kildare Partners and you have occasionally come up with info that most people wudnt get to know, so let's be avin yer eh ?
The bad spelling as a cover is pretty poor mind lol.

 

[SPUFF]

He was only here for a year man. Walked in had a bit of a preen then fucked off as soon as things got tricky. What sort of leader is that? People like methven make a career out of gullible people like you.

Exactly. Any kudos/credibilty he had was gone when he ran for the hills. The club is the same rudderless setup now as before his arrival.

Hey Kildare,

Spill the beans man, what is the connection between you and Mr E. Short ?
We all know Mr Short's company is Kildare Partners and you have occasionally come up with info that most people wudnt get to know, so let's be avin yer eh ?
The bad spelling as a cover is pretty poor mind lol.

I’d sooner he fecked off than continue his little game. Its almost like he thinks us northerners are gullible thick twats.

 

[kildaremackem]

He was only here for a year man. Walked in had a bit of a preen then fucked off as soon as things got tricky. What sort of leader is that? People like methven make a career out of gullible people like you.

where has he gone like...still out there promoting the club and still a shareholder..

not as involved as he was like..but still there unfortuantely..

Hey Kildare,

Spill the beans man, what is the connection between you and Mr E. Short ?
We all know Mr Short's company is Kildare Partners and you have occasionally come up with info that most people wudnt get to know, so let's be avin yer eh ?
The bad spelling as a cover is pretty poor mind lol.

niall quinn lives in kildare marra...as do many of the other shareholders from that era..can i be one of those instead of ellis?

i dont have any isnide info..anything i post is basically in the public domain..i think i posted one thing on here about what charlie was told when he bought safc..and thats the only isnide thing ive ever had.,,,

Some of the figures quoted were absolutely insane. What a financial mess.
The interest alone more than some championship clubs budgets.


Don’t be so stupid.
Name a bigger club he (you) have been involved with that is bigger than Sunderland?
Even the Sportsman paper was another failure.

he worekd for spurs and arsenall..im not saying they are nescesaarily biogger than safc..but they are pretty big..
aportsman failed yes..seem like they didnt do much due dilligence on it..
quin y has had a bunch of failures as well..and im not sure he has ever run a successful business..

Even Doanald said there are a lot of suitors. He owned a 6th tier club, he cut the plastic water bottles and couldn't got them higher, he's way out of his depth at Sunderland. It's clear as day.
His heart is in tge right place maybe, but that's not enough.

donald did get east;eigh higher..they dfinsihed in the highest league positon ever under him..which was higher than the 6th tier..

though it must be said its a poor return for the £12m he spent

Exactly. Any kudos/credibilty he had was gone when he ran for the hills. The club is the same rudderless setup now as before his arrival.


I’d sooner he fecked off than continue his little game. Its almost like he thinks us northerners are gullible thick twats.

as a sunderland fan id rather methven and donald fucked off as well..they are not very good at running this club..

The figures quoted by CM are very misleading .

CM wasn’t appointed as director till 26/5/2018

Full accounts to 31/7/2018 show a loss of £26.4 m

Full accounts to 31/7/2019 have not been posted yet but should be soon.

SAFC financial year would not have been complete , never mind the accounts prepared when he was quoting a turnaround from a £30m loss to break even.



CM couldn’t lie straight in bed man , I don’t believe a word he says.

the £30m number was a projection based on what bain told him..