Tony Davison vs Methven -

[BucketBiff]

TD didn't come across very well to me. He was very quiet, uninspiring and seemed to lack confidence. He just sat there offering nothing back while CM spouted off and when he spoke to the camera he spoke poorly.

As a Sunderland lad and the credentials he arrived with, I had high hopes of him being a major success. He may have improved some things behind the scenes, but, ultimately I'm not surprised he "left" his post.

I broke after saying I wouldn’t be watching it. Up to episode 4 and although no fan of CM I think he’s coming across as pro active, can see what’s wrong and is trying to change a culture of the club. TD who everyone wanks themselves silly over has offered nothing so far. Completely un inspiring. Richard Hill, another who gets dogs abuse on here was bang in the money re. Maja agent

 

[Gazoliver]

You are dodging bullets left, right and centre.
I know it’s a TV documentary however everyone questions the real reasons on why you purchased the club in the first place. Both you and Donald would have known the extent of the financial risk in the due diligence process and there was one conducted.
Your Plan A never came off and a Plan B was never in place. 6% and quit not a bad return for you but you will go down in Sunderland history as a chancer and failure.

What are you suggesting regarding this person's identity?!

 

[Ramona1234]

Spot on. That post sums it all up.

Ross lost the plot from Christmas last season. No striker in a Wembley final and sitting back defending leads. He blew it.

To be fair to Ross, they messed up with Maja. He should have stayed til the end of the season and could have been made to do so.

 

[safcforever]

Methven talked cold hard facts in a time of crisis.

Good on him.

No time for snowflakes

He’s definitely causing a divided opinion. I have a boss similar to him. We get on really well because he’s no nonsense and tells it how it is. Others bosses fuck about skirting issues and hoping people fix it themselves. waste of time

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

I’ve got no issue with them buying it , then selling it at a profit and moving on.

That happens in business .

They gambled on getting straight back up and lost , that was the nail in the coffin of their business plan.

Invest in the club with them in charge ? , the alarm bells are ringing.

Maybe @MADBOB THE MAKEM can enlighten us who the two chancers were who SD was showing around ?

Looked a pair of serious investors to me like.

One was Mark Campbell, the man who couldn't scrape the money together to buy Falkirk.

 

[Lionel Hutzz]

I didn't get that at all. Methven seemed to be key to be fair, but because he went to Eton, wears chinos and told a few fans some home truths he's become a hate figure. He had everything spot on for what I've seen. Certainly not the problem character many had us believe he was.

Excellent post I've taken a slating for saying it on here before but there is a nasty underbelly of jealousy and inverse snobbery in our fan base

 

[MONTYMCPHAIL]

he was a major success..the spped with which he got re employed in a simialrm role elsewhere shows his repuation remians high,,

Mate, Scotland Yard wouldn't be able to make any sense of your posts. FFS either learn to spell or take your phone back...

 

[rentaghost]

I broke after saying I wouldn’t be watching it. Up to episode 4 and although no fan of CM I think he’s coming across as pro active, can see what’s wrong and is trying to change a culture of the club. TD who everyone wanks themselves silly over has offered nothing so far. Completely un inspiring. Richard Hill, another who gets dogs abuse on here was bang in the money re. Maja agent

Looks like another one fooled by a good actor. How long does it take to change the culture of a club? Years I would suggest for a club like SAFC. You don't come in shout at a few people, state whats blatantly obvious to everyone that the club has a culture of failure, bully a few numpties and then leg it and soon as the shit hits the fan. Their intention was only ever to stay at Sunderland for a short period and they hoped they would get promoted in a year to make a profit and sell, you don't change a ingrained culture in that period.

 

[Dilligaf60]

And that's not an answer either, that's just an assertion that you think he's right - and like him, you've not provided any reason or justification...

I'm not sure that being brought up to think of women as incapable of/too fragile to hear swear words constitutes a correct moral education. It's implicit sexism, even though people of a certain generation may be oblivious to it.

It’s called manners. Along with a little self control. Not an assertion at all. My opinion. Just as you have yours. You call it sexism?
I call it ignorance arrogance and lack of restraint.

 

[kildaremackem]

Looks like another one fooled by a good actor. How long does it take to change the culture of a club? Years I would suggest for a club like SAFC. You don't come in shout at a few people, state whats blatantly obvious to everyone that the club has a culture of failure, bully a few numpties and then leg it and soon as the shit hits the fan. Their intention was only ever to stay at Sunderland for a short period and they hoped they would get promoted in a year to make a profit and sell, you don't change a ingrained culture in that period.

there is certainly a lot of truth in what you state hrere re cukture..

but why would they want to change the culture if only taying for a year? jut get promoted getb the profit and let the next guy deal with the culture is what someone tyring to flip it would do..

this board has as one of its most persistent fantansies that donald only intended to stay a short time..no doubt he wanted, and needed, to sell some shares and bring new people in...but there has been the slightest indication he wanted to fuck off..

You are dodging bullets left, right and centre.
I know it’s a TV documentary however everyone questions the real reasons on why you purchased the club in the first place. Both you and Donald would have known the extent of the financial risk in the due diligence process and there was one conducted.
Your Plan A never came off and a Plan B was never in place. 6% and quit not a bad return for you but you will go down in Sunderland history as a chancer and failure.

im nbot methven you bumbling idiot..
but what retunr rn is he getting exactkly? at the moment he is on a loss,,,,because the club hasnt paid him anything but he has put h=in huge amounts of work..every hour he was working here he could have been earning money in his real business..without the hadssle of deadlin with a bunch of fantasists...so at the moment its been a horrendous deal for him...to a huge extent of course thats because of his own actions and incompetence..

Didn’t see any professionalism. He’s a blagger

in the show..he is the one who paid attention in a presnetiation and most of the staff getting a living off your season ticket moeny didnt pay attention..thats a very low bar but already sets him apart as more professional than that plankton he was dealing with..

It’s just not a good way to do business. He’s got all the business acumen of a rejected apprentice candidate.

Manners cost nothing.

he is alkready a hugely succesfukl buiness man..must be regrettung every day he got involved in thi showerr of shite though..

Charlie was right on one point.

He’ll never run a bigger club.

nor will most of the peopel who have run sunderland..niall wuinn certainly never ran a bigger business than safc...and he wont now,..

he i only a deputy ceo of a football adsociation ffs..

bain will never run a bigger club either..

methven may however runa bigger business than safc is..and has worked with mch bigger clubs than safc already..

Knows more about running a football club than those two ever will

how. td has never run one and never will..sd and cm are experienced football people same as davidson..daviudisn has wirked with them both multiple times as well...he must rate them and them him..

 

[Sallycinamon]

Well I’m sorry if you think I sound old fashioned but I think methven comes across as a bully.

The weak always confuse discipline with bullying.

A dressing down in front of 46,900 or 47,200 people , it doesn’t really matter does it ?

Except it wasn’t in front of 47,000 was it. Nobody knew it happened until 15 months later when it appeared on telly!

To be fair to Ross, they messed up with Maja. He should have stayed til the end of the season and could have been made to do so.

Aye it easy to make a modern day footballer stay against his will isn’t it? Dear god

 

[Weardale warrior]

I though CM came across well. a bit David BRENT at times but Christ some of the people he was trying to motivate!!!!

I had no issues with him trying to drive revenue as it makes a massive difference at our level. an extra 60 grand can go a long way.

if you have good strong clear management you know what is expected and what achievement looks like. if you don't have good management you will just do what you think is acceptable and we are all lazy as a race. if my Mrs didn't leave me a list of stuff to do and didn't bollock me if it didn't get done id sit in my pants all day. watching that documentary I saw a lot of people in that office sitting in their pants!!!

 

[Sallycinamon]

Folk saying Methven was a failure who lacked professionalism, I couldn’t disagree more. He was the man charged with turning the finances around and he undoubtably succeeded on that score, the club is on an unimaginablely different financial footing to what they inherited. A club losing around £30m a year to a club breaking even in little over a year isn’t a success? Do me a favour. I don’t think some fans realise what a precarious position the club was in under Short.

As for lacking professionalism, all his rants and dressing downs he gave in STID were about professionalism and the club’s lack of it. He quickly recognised what an unprofessional shambles they’d inherited with unmotivated, uninspiring staff who were happy to do the bare minimum whilst picking up decent wages. He quickly set about changing the whole culture throughout the non-playing staff and there were obviously going to be casualties - the unprofessional amongst them. He came in to knock the whole place into shape and did just that, he was exactly what the football club needed at the time.

 

[kildaremackem]

Folk saying Methven was a failure who lacked professionalism, I couldn’t disagree more. He was the man charged with turning the finances around and he undoubtably succeeded on that score, the club is on an unimaginablely different financial footing to what they inherited. A club losing around £30m a year to a club breaking even in little over a year isn’t a success? Do me a favour. I don’t think some fans realise what a precarious position the club was in under Short.

As for lacking professionalism, all his rants and dressing downs he gave in STID were about professionalism and the club’s lack of it. He quickly recognised what an unprofessional shambles they’d inherited with unmotivated, uninspiring staff who were happy to do the bare minimum whilst picking up decent wages. He quickly set about changing the whole culture throughout the non-playing staff and there were obviously going to be casualties - the unprofessional amongst them. He came in to knock the whole place into shape and did just that, he was exactly what the football club needed at the time.

he was not inc harge of the finances dorectly..thats not his competency. neil fox did most of the cost cutting..that is his specialism..

 

[buster]

Folk saying Methven was a failure who lacked professionalism, I couldn’t disagree more. He was the man charged with turning the finances around and he undoubtably succeeded on that score, the club is on an unimaginablely different financial footing to what they inherited. A club losing around £30m a year to a club breaking even in little over a year isn’t a success? Do me a favour. I don’t think some fans realise what a precarious position the club was in under Short.

As for lacking professionalism, all his rants and dressing downs he gave in STID were about professionalism and the club’s lack of it. He quickly recognised what an unprofessional shambles they’d inherited with unmotivated, uninspiring staff who were happy to do the bare minimum whilst picking up decent wages. He quickly set about changing the whole culture throughout the non-playing staff and there were obviously going to be casualties - the unprofessional amongst them. He came in to knock the whole place into shape and did just that, he was exactly what the football club needed at the time.

The figures quoted by CM are very misleading .

CM wasn’t appointed as director till 26/5/2018

Full accounts to 31/7/2018 show a loss of £26.4 m

Full accounts to 31/7/2019 have not been posted yet but should be soon.

SAFC financial year would not have been complete , never mind the accounts prepared when he was quoting a turnaround from a £30m loss to break even.



CM couldn’t lie straight in bed man , I don’t believe a word he says.

 

[Forty]

Excellent post I've taken a slating for saying it on here before but there is a nasty underbelly of jealousy and inverse snobbery in our fan base

Already said there seems to be inverted snobbery, where Charlie is concerned.

 

[Sallycinamon]

The figures quoted by CM are very misleading .

CM wasn’t appointed as director till 26/5/2018

Full accounts to 31/7/2018 show a loss of £26.4 m

Full accounts to 31/7/2019 have not been posted yet but should be soon.

SAFC financial year would not have been complete , never mind the accounts prepared when he was quoting a turnaround from a £30m loss to break even.



CM couldn’t lie straight in bed man , I don’t believe a word he says.

Surely the operating loss is a more accurate figure as to how the day to day running of the club is. A cash windfall from say a transfer, a sell on clause or a trip to Wembley can somewhat distort the figure shown in accounts.

he was not inc harge of the finances dorectly..thats not his competency. neil fox did most of the cost cutting..that is his specialism..

Methven oversaw the restructuring of the whole non-playing staff at the club which included cost-cutting and turning the finances around.

 

[buster]

Surely the operating loss is a more accurate figure as to how the day to day running of the club is. A cash windfall from say a transfer, a sell on clause or a trip to Wembley can somewhat distort the figure shown in accounts.

Any companies set of accounts only state the financial position at the end of the financial period accounted for.

They would take into account any increase or decrease in income and therefore profitability.

Accounts show a £26.4m loss , not a £30m loss for the period ending 2 months after he became a director , something he could have little control over tbh.

There are NO accounts posted for the financial year ending July 2019 so we cannot see if the £30m loss turned round to a break even figure as he claimed in the programme.

I’ll be very polite and suggest that when he claimed the break even figures he wouldn’t have had the accounts finalised by then anyway .

I wouldn’t believe everything he said on STID2 , it’s up to you and others if they do.

 

[cluffy]

Folk saying Methven was a failure who lacked professionalism, I couldn’t disagree more. He was the man charged with turning the finances around and he undoubtably succeeded on that score, the club is on an unimaginablely different financial footing to what they inherited. A club losing around £30m a year to a club breaking even in little over a year isn’t a success? Do me a favour. I don’t think some fans realise what a precarious position the club was in under Short.

As for lacking professionalism, all his rants and dressing downs he gave in STID were about professionalism and the club’s lack of it. He quickly recognised what an unprofessional shambles they’d inherited with unmotivated, uninspiring staff who were happy to do the bare minimum whilst picking up decent wages. He quickly set about changing the whole culture throughout the non-playing staff and there were obviously going to be casualties - the unprofessional amongst them. He came in to knock the whole place into shape and did just that, he was exactly what the football club needed at the time.

He's a thousand times better than Martin Bain!
Their main errors have occurred after the season depicted in STID2 ended.

 

[pablo casals]

Already said there seems to be inverted snobbery, where Charlie is concerned.

You could easily say that by overlooking the fact that they have twisted the truth now so many times.

Fans would have been cool with them if we had gone up and they soldfor a quick profit. Which was obviously their goal. Small margens. Charlton did we didn't.

And they have been caught out telling porkies too many times. So you can't put it down to the accent and the chinos.