VARguments

[Mackem00]

It's not the point though is it? Far from creating more drama it's converting the whole spectacle in just the opposite. Dull as ditchwater non-event controlled by even duller technology.

Mate. I could not be more against VAR (beyond goal line technology where it is an exact science). I'd rather we got rid of the whole thing and just accepted when mistakes happened.

Sined.


Sorry, you can't really use the argument that "VAR has been just as detrimental to us as anyone else" when you've accrued 82 out of the last 84 points.

LFC in particular have been the beneficiaries of the worst aspects of this shambles, for instance was there was a "clear and obvious error" in the scoring of Wolves' goal yesterday ? Was there bollocks.

Part of his foot was offside like. It's a load of shit but the freeze frame they were referring to was offside. Simple as that. Since when do you have to be clearly and obviously offside?

 

[Morse]

If it’s going to be used for offsides, they’re going to need to record at a faster frame rate. A standard camera using TV frame rates isn’t the answer.

 

[scallyban]

Sined.


Sorry, you can't really use the argument that "VAR has been just as detrimental to us as anyone else" when you've accrued 82 out of the last 84 points.

LFC in particular have been the beneficiaries of the worst aspects of this shambles, for instance was there was a "clear and obvious error" in the scoring of Wolves' goal yesterday ? Was there bollocks.

You've kind of twisted what I actually said. I just tried to add a bit of balance that we've not had every decision go our way. I also said I dont support VAR and I agree that marginal offsides are spoiling the spectacle. I also remember the days that fans of other clubs, especially the blues and mancs, said VAR would finish LFC off and we wouldn't make the top 4. We've picked up so many points due to unbelievable levels of consistency.

 

[Nil desperandum]

Mate. I could not be more against VAR (beyond goal line technology where it is an exact science). I'd rather we got rid of the whole thing and just accepted when mistakes happened.

Part of his foot was offside like. It's a load of shit but the freeze frame they were referring to was offside. Simple as that. Since when do you have to be clearly and obviously offside?

It'll be down to fingernails in nee time. Klopp's rigid system will the only true benificiary. Sad times indeed m8

 

[AC Mack]

Just change it to onside so if any part of the body, excluding arms, is onside a goal stands.

Seriously? And what if it's a cm difference as to whether any part of the body is onside?

 

[Deleted member 43869]

Seriously? And what if it's a cm difference as to whether any part of the body is onside?

Another brilliant solution!

 

[AC Mack]

Sined.


Sorry, you can't really use the argument that "VAR has been just as detrimental to us as anyone else" when you've accrued 82 out of the last 84 points.

LFC in particular have been the beneficiaries of the worst aspects of this shambles, for instance was there was a "clear and obvious error" in the scoring of Wolves' goal yesterday ? Was there bollocks.

It's offside. It's nothing to do with 'clear and obvious'.

Another brilliant solution!

I keep thinking people are taking the piss, but I'm not sure they are.

 

[Voice of fair play]

The problem is most of these offsides are so insanely marginal no fucker noticed. Personally I’d rather concede a few midgies dick offside goals to celebrate the ones we scored. People weren’t ranting about this shit man, it was the hand of god incidents, deliberate blatant stuff that shouldn’t have been missed but was. Ok they might be getting loads more decisions right but it’s not added anything to the game, it’s f***ing ruining it, especially for the fans at the game.

People were ranting about marginal decisions, our fans definitely were, especially on this board when we were in the premier league.

The twisty fans, were twisting all the f***ing time and calling refs all the names under the sun, and that was when they had to make decisions in real time.

Maybe all the mistakes made by VAR as hit home to people, if you can’t get it right after replays, how diffcult it most be with one look, one angle and spilt second to decide, and if fans had accepted them mistakes maybe they would have been no need for VAR.

Fans, pundits and media were too busy looking for controversy rather than accepting them mistakes hence VAR!

A lot people have got exactly what they deserved if they don’t like VAR

 

[Deleted member 43869]

People were ranting about marginal decisions, our fans definitely were, especially on this board when we were in the premier league.

The twisty fans, were twisting all the f***ing time and calling refs all the names under the sun, and that was when they had to make decisions in real time.

Maybe all the mistakes made by VAR as hit home to people, if you can’t get it right after replays, how diffcult it most be with one look, one angle and spilt second to decide, and if fans had accepted them mistakes maybe they would have been no need for VAR.

Fans, pundits and media were too busy looking for controversy rather than accepting them mistakes hence VAR!

A lot people have got exactly what they deserved if they don’t like VAR

Up and down the efl is full of fans who bang on about how they don't get any decisions and how the refs are sh*t. I'm surrounded by morons at VP screaming at every 50/50 that doesn't go our way. It's the most boring aspect and a scourge on our game. That mentality has brought us here.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Up and down the efl is full of fans who bang on about how they don't get any decisions and how the refs are sh*t. I'm surrounded by morons at VP screaming at every 50/50 that doesn't go our way. It's the most boring aspect and a scourge on our game. That mentality has brought us here.

Yep, fans screaming actually thinking certain refs have it in for them

TV channels focussing on any ref decisions rather than the actually game!

And pundits (ex-footballers) having a go at refs rather than the cheating players has all contributed to it.

 

[Deleted member 43869]

Yep, fans screaming actually thinking certain refs have it in for them

TV channels focussing on any ref decisions rather than the actually game!

And pundits (ex-footballers) having a go at refs rather than the cheating players has all contributed to it.

Pundits not saying owt in real time and then suddenly slaughtering the ref on the 5th replay in slow motion.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Pundits not saying owt in real time and then suddenly slaughtering the ref on the 5th replay in slow motion.

Yeah happens all the time on soccer Saturday, the fuckers still criticised the ref in a game before Christmas when he booked a player for taking his shirt off.

It’s only been the rule for 5 years!!!

 

[eddtheduck]

Seriously? And what if it's a cm difference as to whether any part of the body is onside?

Better allowing a goal than chalking off a goal for a gnats knacker.

 

[I'm Spartacus]

People were ranting about marginal decisions, our fans definitely were, especially on this board when we were in the premier league.

The twisty fans, were twisting all the f***ing time and calling refs all the names under the sun, and that was when they had to make decisions in real time.

Maybe all the mistakes made by VAR as hit home to people, if you can’t get it right after replays, how diffcult it most be with one look, one angle and spilt second to decide, and if fans had accepted them mistakes maybe they would have been no need for VAR.

Fans, pundits and media were too busy looking for controversy rather than accepting them mistakes hence VAR!

A lot people have got exactly what they deserved if they don’t like VAR

You’re right. A lot of moaning bastards got what they deserved. The problem is when you watch these games live it’s impossible to spot these marginal decisions. The ones in the stadiums are going to be the ones that ultimately suffer, waiting for a decision for ages without the sky circus playing in the background. Sky have been the ones winding people up for years with their ott analysis and social media has given voice to the empty vessels that make the loudest noises and it’s finally come to this. Just another nail in the football coffin....

 

[AC Mack]

Better allowing a goal than chalking off a goal for a gnats knacker.

But you still have to decide whether his whole body is a gnats knacker onside or not!!

It's like banging my head against a brick wall, this

 

[Vicham]

It hasn't really though*, because if there is doubt whether it is a cm less than the threshold, then it's still given as offside. You'll end up with the same arguments. How has the frame issue been eliminated?

*it has in theory, I'll give you that. Bit it's not how people will view it.

Probably not. It's still better than the current format though, if people will accept that 19.9 or 20.1 probably doesn't make any difference as both are most likel

It hasn't really though*, because if there is doubt whether it is a cm less than the threshold, then it's still given as offside. You'll end up with the same arguments. How has the frame issue been eliminated?

*it has in theory, I'll give you that. Bit it's not how people will view it.

Some might accept it based on this being more fair, as the margin of error for deciding the exact time of drawing the offside line will now have been eliminated with the benefit given to the striker.

That being said, my opinion remains the same, that VAR should be scrapped for offside decisions. And possibly all together

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Its the same with all the 'suggestions'. They sound really reasonable in theory.

Only use VAR for 'obvious offside mistakes'!

Great idea! Who decides what is obvious and how is it decided?

Ah shit.

Ifab possibly...

Premier League is using VAR wrong for offside reviews, suggests Ifab

Lukas Brud has insisted the use of the Video Assistant Referee should be reserved for ‘clear and obvious’ errors and not numerous replays for marginal decisions

www.independent.co.uk

 

[darius]

VAR has given referees and assistants, a way of not making a decision. Which they did before by going for the easy option. Theses offices are ridiculous and scraps the "in favour of the forward" rule.

 

[Mark E Smith]

Mate. I could not be more against VAR (beyond goal line technology where it is an exact science). I'd rather we got rid of the whole thing and just accepted when mistakes happened.

Part of his foot was offside like. It's a load of shit but the freeze frame they were referring to was offside. Simple as that. Since when do you have to be clearly and obviously offside?

There’s a trained linesman on the pitch. They sometimes get a decision wrong - badly wrong, which is when VAR should be used. The offside rule wasn’t intended to rake armpits into account.

 

[Steve H]

Derby just scored against Charlton, the goal was given but the linesman has missed a definite offside, for those of you who do not like VAR, this is why it is a good thing, the goal should have been cancelled, it would have been if they had VAR in this division.
Sorry, but I cannot understand people being against VAR, it helps the officials make fewer mistakes, simples.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Derby just scored against Charlton, the goal was given but the linesman has missed a definite offside, for those of you who do not like VAR, this is why it is a good thing, the goal should have been cancelled, it would have been if they had VAR in this division.
Sorry, but I cannot understand people being against VAR, it helps the officials make fewer mistakes, simples.

The thing is mate, people wanted to twist before VAR, and want to twist after VAR.

What VAR has proved beyond a shadow of doubt is if it takes a while after replay, what chance did refs have before hand in real time.

Will you now get people and fans admitting how diffcult it was for refs before VAR and they were wrong for calling them cheats, I wouldn’t hold my breath.