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VARguments


AC Mack said:
And not bother with VAR at all? Obviously that's the dream.

Imagine a world like that...
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Challenge system is the best of both worlds. You don't have every decision scrutinised but you have the option of correcting a game-changing howler.

Gary McCallister penalties for instance :evil:
 
Honess10 said:
The offside thing surely just has to follow the lbw cricket format. Tell the linesman to flag as normal and give an agreed margin either side where the linesman‘s call is upheld. Say a foot or whatever is appropriate
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'A foot or whatever' just gives you the same problem.

There's a reason nobody can find a technology method which works.
jackynutmeg said:
Var for goal line technology and that's all....but bellends like Sky like to stir shit
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But once you have it for the goal line, people want it for everything!!

Welcome to several years ago.
 
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Randy Ostrich said:
Challenge system is the best of both worlds. You don't have every decision scrutinised but you have the option of correcting a game-changing howler.

Gary McCallister penalties for instance :evil:
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I think there are too many issues with a challenge system. What if we'd used our challenges before Mcallister went down outside the box?
 
Randy Ostrich said:
Challenge system is the best of both worlds. You don't have every decision scrutinised but you have the option of correcting a game-changing howler.

Gary McCallister penalties for instance :evil:
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I think what would happen would be that any goal scored within the last 5 minutes of the game would be challenged regardless, if they had challenges remaining. Meaning most last minute winner celebrations would be cut from the game

I'd fuck it off all together. Just say 'we tried, it's not worth it, for what we gain against what we lose, we are worse off with VAR, let's pretend none of this ever happened'
 
TravellingMackem said:
I’d prefer one where the ref can just ask for help if he needs it. Like in rugby. If he’s happy with it then get on with the game.
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So would I but you'd have shit arrogant refs who would never ask for help and shit incompetent refs that would check everything.

The only way I can think of not to interrupt the flow of the game is to only use it for decisions that have been given where the game is already stopped.
 
AC Mack said:
'A foot or whatever' just gives you the same problem.

There's a reason nobody can find a technology method which works.


But once you have it for the goal line, people want it for everything!!

Welcome to several years ago.
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I don’t think it is the same problem though. If you define the “foot or whatever” as a measurement based on error, you can then say that we are x% sure that he is offside if he is a foot offside. Then at least decisions are overturned based on some factual underpinning.

Would you change your medication because the doctor guessed that you have some illness or would you expect him to prove beyond a certain level of uncertainty that you had this?
 
AC Mack said:
I think there are too many issues with a challenge system. What if we'd used our challenges before Mcallister went down outside the box?
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As in cricket that's tough. You use it for the howler, you don't use it speculatively. If you do, you run the risk of not having it when you need it.

If the point is to eliminate the howler, use challenges.

If it's to support the ref, let him chat and check.

If it's to get the right decision, and off field ref needs to see everything and overrule where necessary.
 
Randy Ostrich said:
As in cricket that's tough. You use it for the howler, you don't use it speculatively. If you do, you run the risk of not having it when you need it.

If the point is to eliminate the howler, use challenges.

If it's to support the ref, let him chat and check.

If it's to get the right decision, and off field ref needs to see everything and overrule where necessary.
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If it’s to make football a laughing stock keep the system as it is.
 
Randy Ostrich said:
So would I but you'd have shit arrogant refs who would never ask for help and shit incompetent refs that would check everything.

The only way I can think of not to interrupt the flow of the game is to only use it for decisions that have been given where the game is already stopped.
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Moaning about 'shit arrogant refs' is one of the reasons we're in this mess in the first place.

Now we can't even get decisions right using cameras.
Randy Ostrich said:
As in cricket that's tough. You use it for the howler, you don't use it speculatively. If you do, you run the risk of not having it when you need it.

If the point is to eliminate the howler, use challenges.

If it's to support the ref, let him chat and check.

If it's to get the right decision, and off field ref needs to see everything and overrule where necessary.
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What would have happened if Spurs decided to review the Pukki goal; presumably it would have been goal disallowed?
TravellingMackem said:
I don’t think it is the same problem though. If you define the “foot or whatever” as a measurement based on error, you can then say that we are x% sure that he is offside if he is a foot offside. Then at least decisions are overturned based on some factual underpinning.

Would you change your medication because the doctor guessed that you have some illness or would you expect him to prove beyond a certain level of uncertainty that you had this?
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But what if it's a foot and a cm? Or a cm short of a foot? Surely you just have the same issue.

I'm not sure how your analogy is relevant.
 
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roberto said:
I think that VAR has evened out the playing field a bit. The smaller teams are less likely to get done by a stinker of a decision. Two from the past that come to mind are the McAllister penalty against us that was a mile outside the box and Ronaldo's dive that gave Man U a winning penalty at Boro.
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We've been on the right side of endless important decisions, the ones that certainly would have been over turned if VAR had been in-

Ji goal v man city - off side
Vaughan goal v mags - off side
Cattermole hand ball on the line v mags - red card and penna to the mags

Ones that would have been checked, thus spoiling the celebrations-

Defoe screamer v mags - potential foul by fletcher in build up
Borini in league cup final- potential hand ball by borini in build up
Phillips v mags , 2-2 second goal, - probably marginally off side

And they are just the ones in important games. We've had some bowlers against us, not many in big games like.
 
tunstallhill said:
We've been on the right side of endless important decisions, the ones that certainly would have been over turned if VAR had been in-

Ji goal v man city - off side
Vaughan goal v mags - off side
Cattermole hand ball on the line v mags - red card and penna to the mags

Ones that would have been checked, thus spoiling the celebrations-

Defoe screamer v mags - potential foul by fletcher in build up
Borini in league cup final- potential hand ball by borini in build up
Phillips v mags , 2-2 second goal, - probably marginally off side

And they are just the ones in important games. We've had some bowlers against us, not many in big games like.
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It would have taken away some great moments, you're right. Wolves's equaliser last night lifted the roof off but I was surprised that it wasn't chalked off for Traore's shove in the back on Mendy.
 
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