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FatDrummer said:
‘People’ didn’t want that though. They wanted obvious offsides and penalties given correctly....not an extension of a secondary school geometry class.
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Exactly this. I don't remember a referendum or peoples' vote on VAR, but I do remember Sky football pundits screaming and arguing for it. Perhaps Sky thought they may have an input into it, with their technology, to get even more control over the game. Feckin Sky started all this shite, having a multitude of cameras placed around the pitch, which made the refs job impossible.
 
myleftfoot1978 said:
But it’s not what the people wanted, I have never wanted var, but even the people that were wanting it they wanted it based on clear and obvious errors not a nats pube offside decision, people keep saying it’s what we wanted to justify it, but this is never what people wanted
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So many people have totally missed the big picture here. You bring in vague directives like this and you end up with huge inconsistencies which would get people even more irate. It has to be fine margins.
Randy Ostrich said:
Too close to call.

What a load of willies
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'too close to call'

Brilliant. That clears it all up.
 
sambantam82 said:
So many people have totally missed the big picture here. You bring in vague directives like this and you end up with huge inconsistencies which would get people even more irate. It has to be fine margins.
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Two things missing:
They needed to limit it to start with and they needed to define what the purpose was. To get the right decision? To support the referee? To eliminate the howler? Who should ask for the review?

Let the team captains have one challenge each half where they can review during a stoppage, eg red card, penalty. Forget offsides, forget penalties not given. If correct, decision is reversed if not, decision stands. That would seem a sensible starting point without every single thing being looked at.
sambantam82 said:
'too close to call'

Brilliant. That clears it all up.
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Don't get your knickers in a twist. How else would you define doubt exactly?
 
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Oli Wagkz said:
I actually don’t mind VAR, it’s the way the offsides are being decided that’s a joke.
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I've not seen a single person offer a viable alternative. If youre using technology how the hell can you implement anything other than hairline margins without totally undermining 'consistency' that everyone bangs on about. Bring in a degree of tolerance and you still have the same miniscule margins. This is what people wanted. The thing that annoys me is that most complaints about the offside directives are very short sighted.
Randy Ostrich said:
Benefit of the doubt to the attacker. If unsure, flag stays down
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The you get a goal being ruled out which is less offside on the replay than one that is given. Can you imagine the hysterics from fans, managers and pundits.
 
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The offside thing surely just has to follow the lbw cricket format. Tell the linesman to flag as normal and give an agreed margin either side where the linesman‘s call is upheld. Say a foot or whatever is appropriate
 
Honess10 said:
The offside thing surely just has to follow the lbw cricket format. Tell the linesman to flag as normal and give an agreed margin either side where the linesman‘s call is upheld. Say a foot or whatever is appropriate
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Makes sense. We're back to the purpose of it though. If it's to get the right decision, you'd have someone monitoring constantly and talking to the ref. If it's to help the ref then, as in Rugby, he should be able to ask if there's a reason not to give the decision.

I really think the best thing is to allow a challenge during a stoppage, as in the way you describe. Rugby has lots of stoppages so it's easier to have a confirmatory system. The idea of the challenge in cricket or tennis seems better to me. If you use it for an offside and then get a dodgy penalty against you then tough.
 
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Calpol said:
What to though that’s the problem? They’ve committed to a ‘right or wrong’ system when deciding offsides, no arguments it either is or isn’t. So if they change it to allowing human error, one side is benefiting from an incorrect decision and one is suffering.
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Just cancel the offside rule there'll be no arguments but plenty of goals!
 
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