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TravellingMackem said:
If you can prove it’s offside fair enough. If you are determining it based on a random pause go a video function with massive errors unaccounted for, then you aren’t offside necessarily
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This is something that I am interested in, as it seems like it’s paused at a point and we have no clue if that’s the exact time the ball was played, out just when the var assistant thinks it was played, if they want to give offside for millimetres then the time the ball is played needs to be exact, I have not see this shown properly yet, like a snickometer in cricket Shirley they can have something like that with the foot connecting with the ball
 

AC Mack said:
What about probable offsides, and possible penalties? What about red cards? What about definite corners being given incorrectly? What about bookings?

What if something is obvious to you, but isn't obvious to someone else?


Which is just as difficult to judge.
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Probable offsides would still be judged as probable and VAR would still judge it. My point being that if they have to rely on ‘secondary school geometry’ to judge it, then it is too close to disallow.
Possible penalties would still be judged on a decision from the arbiter (be that the officials onfield or the VAR official in Shockley Park). Nothing changes there.
Red cards....the same.
Neither of the last two have anything to do with goals being disallowed for an armpit being a cm ahead of the last man...which is the point being debated here. (AND we have had another ridiculous offside decision in the Norwich v Spurs game)
Corners and bookings are not currently checked by VAR.
 
myleftfoot1978 said:
This is something that I am interested in, as it seems like it’s paused at a point and we have no clue if that’s the exact time the ball was played, out just when the var assistant thinks it was played, if they want to give offside for millimetres then the time the ball is played needs to be exact, I have not see this shown properly yet, like a snickometer in cricket Shirley they can have something like that with the foot connecting with the ball
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It isn’t even defined in the laws of the game though that’s half the problem. So you can’t make a judgement on it. The laws just state when the ball is kicked - there are several phases of kicking - initial contact, contraction of the ball then release of the ball. No one knows which of those count for a start. Also how does the VAR guy pause the video on the correct frame? Crossing players on a 30fps tv would move relatively about 18cm per frame. How many frames is it sufficient to be “close enough”? And what kind of an error is not accounted for here?

You cannot say whether Pukki is offside or not today, for instance, based on the technology. That is a fact.
 
FatDrummer said:
Probable offsides would still be judged as probable and VAR would still judge it. My point being that if they have to rely on ‘secondary school geometry’ to judge it, then it is too close to disallow.
Possible penalties would still be judged on a decision from the arbiter (be that the officials onfield or the VAR official in Shockley Park). Nothing changes there.
Red cards....the same.
Neither of the last two have anything to do with goals being disallowed for an armpit being a cm ahead of the last man...which is the point being debated here. (AND we have had another ridiculous offside decision in the Norwich v Spurs game)
Corners and bookings are not currently checked by VAR.
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Okay. My point being though, what constitutes obvious? What constitutes obvious?
jackynutmeg said:
Still shite....if it can't be seen by naked eye then it onside.
All this over analysis has fucked the game.
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Whose naked eye? Not everyone has the same vision.
TravellingMackem said:
How do you know it’s paused at the right time? That the cameras are perfectly calibrated and that there are no angular or parallax effects influencing the decision?
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Exactly. Too many permutations.
 
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sambantam82 said:
So many people have totally missed the big picture here. You bring in vague directives like this and you end up with huge inconsistencies which would get people even more irate. It has to be fine margins.


'too close to call'

Brilliant. That clears it all up.
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Absobloody exactly.
 
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