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James hunter apparently reckons the fans have unrealistic expectations

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I'm still confused by what he's trying to say. He says " if the expectation is to walk the league, or get 100 points, then that's unrealistic". I don't know one fan that has ever said either of those things.
 
Black Cat Gypsy said:
Tell that to Jack Ross. He was the one who targeted 20 clean sheets not the fans.
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Aye but quite a number buy into the clean sheet bullshit, I think Big Sam pickled their brains.
Binxy said:
Keep reading this, but tell me this if we are so poor what does that make the teams below us?
You know the likes of Bolton and Lincoln.
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We don’t see other sides every week but if they are upping their games playing us and it works it’s only going to give those sides you mention confidence seeing us rattled.
 
joemcdokes said:
Aye but quite a number buy into the clean sheet bullshit, I think Big Sam pickled their brains.




We don’t see other sides every week but if they are upping their games playing us and it works it’s only going to give those sides you mention confidence seeing us rattled.
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Exactly they're upping their game so why the fuck can Ross not get us to up our game once in a while?
 
Botchie said:
I'm still confused by what he's trying to say. He says " if the expectation is to walk the league, or get 100 points, then that's unrealistic". I don't know one fan that has ever said either of those things.
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The owners said that and the manager has mentioned not getting promotion as being failure.

Yet at the same time Hunter said we should be challenging for promotion and capable of winning the league, with Jack Ross.

Minutes later he's saying there's an overreaction to dropped points, which drags the club back and makes it harder to manage, with absolutely no realisation that expectations of a club our size at this level, owners comments, manager history, performances and results plays an absolutely crucial part in the fans reaction.

He went onto mention the five games won on the spin didn't change the perception of Ross much , ignoring the problems that most of us have commented on since last January still remained and then showed up again against Peterborough, Rotherham, Bolton and also ignoring two were Carabao Cup games anyway. Surely if people's perception was formed over 5 games, rather than a season or a season and a half that would make them more fickle?

He then went onto say even after the two recent wins MK Dons and Sheff United's not bothered squad that as soon as we lost against Lincoln people overlooked them again. So the guy is basically saying we should be up there and we should be capable of gaining automatic promotion, but there shouldn't be a big reaction when so many sides are turning us over or taking points of us and seemingly performances, which are suggesting poor form doesn't even come into it.

I understand the need for balance in the media, but if he cannot see a link between abject performances and more abject results over a sustained period the guy is just licking hoop for self preservation.
joemcdokes said:
Aye but quite a number buy into the clean sheet bullshit, I think Big Sam pickled their brains.
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I get the need for it because it can build confidence in the team and the defence. There simply has to be balance though throughout the team and despite the limited set up and turgid play here we're still absolutely shit defensively.
 
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Perryqhill said:
The owners said that and the manager has mentioned not getting promotion as being failure.

Yet at the same time Hunter said we should be challenging for promotion and capable of winning the league, with Jack Ross.

Minutes later he's saying there's an overreaction to dropped points, which drags the club back and makes it harder to manage, with absolutely no realisation that expectations of a club our size at this level, owners comments, manager history, performances and results plays an absolutely crucial part in the fans reaction.

He went onto mention the five games won on the spin didn't change the perception of Ross much , ignoring the problems that most of us have commented on since last January still remained and then showed up again against Peterborough, Rotherham, Bolton and also ignoring two were Carabao Cup games anyway. Surely if people's perception was formed over 5 games, rather than a season or a season and a half that would make them more fickle than games against sides in this league that even he seems to think we should be winning our fair share of?

He then went onto say even after the two recent wins MK Dons and Sheff United's not bothered squad that as soon as we lost against Lincoln people overlooked them again. So the guy is basically saying we should be up there and we should be capable of gaining automatic promotion, but there shouldn't be a big reaction when so many sides are turning us over or taking points of us and seemingly performances, which are suggesting poor form doesn't even come into it.

I understand the need for balance in the media, but if he cannot see a link between abject performances and more abject results over a sustained period the guy is just licking hoop for self preservation.


I get the need for it because it can build confidence in the team and the defence. There simply has to be balance though throughout the team and despite the limited set up and turgid play here we're still absolutely shit defensively.
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I’m more concerned with our lack of ball retention especially in the final third, it’s restricting us massively both in attack and getting caught out at the back on the counter.

The thing is it’s followed us down the leagues, same shit different season.
 
Another having a dig at the fans I see

We’re in league f***ing one for a second season, having just finished in our worst ever historical position with it being 50/50 whether we’ll even finish lower this season.

This on the back of previously having the worst record in europe across the previous 5 seasons. We’d barely been out of the bottom 3, other than a few weeks towards the end of a few seasons. For years.

We’d been absolutely battered going into last season.

Should we really be elated at then losing twice at Wembley and failing to get promotion? The first time in our history we’ve now prepared for a 3rd division season having already been there, and trebling the amount of time in history we’ve been here.

Crucially however it wasn’t the fans banging on about 100 points, delivering a team worthy of doing that, 20 clean sheets etc.

The one thing about the club you shouldn’t have a pop at in the recent 6 or 7 years is the fans. Remarkably there’s quite a few posters on here who can’t help themselves either
 
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Botchie said:
He also says that the assumption that the squad is one of the best in the league needs to be removed and Ross is getting as much out of them as they're capable of.
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Kind of agree with the 1st bit. It’s certainly not a squad that’s going to piss this shit league we find ourselves in. Completely disagree with the 2nd bit. He can’t organise them, give them a game plan, we look unfit, fuck knows what he says to them at half time because from 45-65 minutes we are generally beyond pathetic. All of the above is firmly at the door of Ross.
 
BucketBiff said:
Kind of agree with the 1st bit. It’s certainly not a squad that’s going to piss this shit league we find ourselves in. Completely disagree with the 2nd bit. He can’t organise them, give them a game plan, we look unfit, fuck knows what he says to them at half time because from 45-65 minutes we are generally beyond pathetic. All of the above is firmly at the door of Ross.
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Like has been said, Hunter took a similar stance with Moyes towards the end. Moyes started shifting blame on to Bain, Short ect. Hunter was replying to tweets last night and saying if the target was 100 points then there should have been more investment in the squad. It seems to me his gripe is with Donald, but he has shifted that onto the fans. Why not challenge Donald if he thinks more should have been spent, or if he thinks the 100 point target was unrealistic? My gut feeling is that all isn't as rosie between the manager and the owners as we've been led to believe. I've stuck up for Ross in the past, but now feel he needs to be removed for everyone's sake including his own. I've stuck up for Donald and said that he can be excitable in public. However I'm not having any of them let the fans be used as a scapegoat for things they've done and said.
 
This team is bang average and the fans are deluded if they think otherwise regardless of who the manager if the owners don’t budget for better players then the cycle will continue
 
Botchie said:
Like has been said, Hunter took a similar stance with Moyes towards the end. Moyes started shifting blame on to Bain, Short ect. Hunter was replying to tweets last night and saying if the target was 100 points then there should have been more investment in the squad. It seems to me his gripe is with Donald, but he has shifted that onto the fans. Why not challenge Donald if he thinks more should have been spent, or if he thinks the 100 point target was unrealistic? My gut feeling is that all isn't as rosie between the manager and the owners as we've been led to believe. I've stuck up for Ross in the past, but now feel he needs to be removed for everyone's sake including his own. I've stuck up for Donald and said that he can be excitable in public. However I'm not having any of them let the fans be used as a scapegoat for things they've done and said.
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Your right like. It’s not the fans who came out with this aiming for 100 points nonsense. He’s also right if that was the aim the squad needed money spending on it.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
This team is bang average and the fans are deluded if they think otherwise regardless of who the manager if the owners don’t budget for better players then the cycle will continue
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Who is saying that like? Social media and comments at the match don't reflect that comment one bit. Point me to one comment that says this team has played well, or are looking the part.
 
joemcdokes said:
Aye but quite a number buy into the clean sheet bullshit, I think Big Sam pickled their brains.




We don’t see other sides every week but if they are upping their games playing us and it works it’s only going to give those sides you mention confidence seeing us rattled.
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But it worked up Allardyce. We kept clean sheets and were scoring too. Our form was top six. Any coach worth his salt will tell you need a good spine in the team and you start at the back. On paper we have the best squad in the league but we can't put them into a team. We don't have a set formation or strategy. We signed players on reputation and availability rather than players to fit a system.
 
BucketBiff said:
Your right like. It’s not the fans who came out with this aiming for 100 points nonsense. He’s also right if that was the aim the squad needed money spending on it.
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It's a no brainer marra. That's why he needs to find the balls to challenge Donald if that's how he feels.
 
gowlcra said:
Luton signed 17 players last season without spending a penny
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Every team that causes us problems have a midfielder who can carry the ball forward allowing them to put us on the back foot soon as we lose possession. A big mobile centre forward. A bit of strength in the side. We recruited horribly again this summer. Not helped by Ross not having a clue on how he wanted to play. But we are absolutely crying out for 2 players like this regardless of what system he wants to play.
 
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