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Behind Enemy Lines said:
It would be a statement of intent in terms of a League One club appointing a big-ish name manager. I would see it as a bit of a lazy, unimaginative appointment though tbh - I'd hope our new owners (the richest in the world apparently) would have more of a long-term vision for the club than Sam f***ing Allardyce. I wouldn't even mind letting Ross have the rest of the season if it gave the new owners some time to plan for the future instead of rushing to appoint the likes of Big Sam.
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He's a better manager than Ross though. And he is often credited as being quite into the whole sports science thing so I doubt he's even much more of a dinosaur than Ross despite his age. Other than the questions about money I don't see how anyone wouldn't see it as a positive appointment tbh. In managerial teams he's pretty obviously PL quality, Ross hasn't proved himself to be anywhere near that yet, funny thing is a manager is arguably more important than any one player but if we could get a PL standard striker in this league or stick with Grigg/ Wyke it wouldn't even be a debate. If you can afford it you get the best you can. I think he could get us back to the PL, if we then thought we needed a change we could make one. I'm literally just thinking "who is better, Allardyce or Ross" and if anyone says the latter i think they're kidding themselves
 
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Reiver said:
If you were advising the new owners who would you suggest, serious question.
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In all honesty, I'd be the wrong person to advise them.

Who advised Norwich to get Daniel Farke? It's the job of someone out there to be keeping tabs on the best up and coming coaches and their progress. I'd hope with their resources that they'd be asking them the question instead. As another poster said, Allardyce would be unimaginative and I don't think he'd build anything, just line his pockets.
 
Reiver said:
If you were advising the new owners who would you suggest, serious question.
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Not directed at me but I'll give my opinion anyway. I'd advise the new owners that there's no immediate rush. Ross has us in a decent position to gain promotion, let him try and take us up and in the background start doing some serious research on potential replacements. There are good managers out there who aren't the obvious choices (Farke at Norwich one example).
 
Nelson! said:
In all honesty, I'd be the wrong person to advise them.

Who advised Norwich to get Daniel Farke? It's the job of someone out there to be keeping tabs on the best up and coming coaches and their progress. I'd hope with their resources that they'd be asking them the question instead. As another poster said, Allardyce would be unimaginative and I don't think he'd build anything, just line his pockets.
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I'm not asking about a manager, I'm asking about an adviser.
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Not directed at me but I'll give my opinion anyway. I'd advise the new owners that there's no immediate rush. Ross has us in a decent position to gain promotion, let him try and take us up and in the background start doing some serious research on potential replacements. There are good managers out there who aren't the obvious choices (Farke at Norwich one example).
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I'm asking about an adviser, not a manager.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
He's a better manager than Ross though. And he is often credited as being quite into the whole sports science thing so I doubt he's even much more of a dinosaur than Ross despite his age. Other than the questions about money I don't see how anyone wouldn't see it as a positive appointment tbh. In managerial teams he's pretty obviously PL quality, Ross hasn't proved himself to be anywhere near that yet, funny thing is a manager is arguably more important than any one player but if we could get a PL standard striker in this league or stick with Grigg/ Wyke it wouldn't even be a debate. If you can afford it you get the best you can. I think he could get us back to the PL, if we then thought we needed a change we could make one. I'm literally just thinking "who is better, Allardyce or Ross" and if anyone says the latter i think they're kidding themselves
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Allardyce would probably do a better job in League One/Championship than Jack Ross, can't argue with that. I'd be thinking more long-term if I was making the decisions though.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Allardyce would probably do a better job in League One/Championship than Jack Ross, can't argue with that. I'd be thinking more long-term if I was making the decisions though.
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So Allardyce manager now then DOF to Dyche later on before we get really serious?
Nelson! said:
Do they need one? SD and CM are doing a reasonable job and I'd assume the new lot trust them or they wouldn't be staying on.
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Surely they needed one before they agreed the deal with SD and CM.

As people keep saying, they know nowt about football.

And, for what pittance it costs, why wouldn't they?
 
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Reiver said:
So Allardyce manager now then DOF to Dyche later on before we get really serious?


Surely they needed one before they agreed the deal with SD and CM.

As people keep saying, they know nowt about football.

And, for what pittance it costs, why wouldn't they?
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I wouldn't have Allardyce anywhere near the club tbh.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
It's not "end of story", it depends on your opinion. Allardyce got more points and lost less games after January started then Poyet did, as an example, but on top of that I personally felt he actually put a team together as opposed to getting a freak set of results. The lads he brought in all played their part in keeping us up, very rarely have I actually felt we've got stronger after a transfer window but he did good work. I felt that he lay foundations more than others did who achieved a "great escape". You can disagree, but that doesn't make it "end of story", your opinion isn't factual, it's opinion based
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As I said in the other thread, we lost just 4 times in the 2nd half of the season over 19 games. I didn't know until I just checked as we actually lost to Leicester H (Champions), Spurs A (3rd), Man City H (4th), West Ham A (7th) so that is also impressive. We actually lost just 1 of the last 11 to Leicester and got 12 pints out of the last 6 games. As @McMackem said in another post the optimism was high after the end of the season. That is the reason why, Sam had turned us around from a sub 20pts a season team to well over 50pts a season team from January.
 
Reiver said:
If you were advising the new owners who would you suggest, serious question.


So you ask people on a chat forum, for an answer, then question it when it comes ...

... seriously mate, what's the f***ing point of asking?
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Sorry Reiver it was a serious question as I have not seen anything in the press and do not want to scroll through the 1200 pages or so on here. I am not having a go.
 
sid84763 said:
Sorry Reiver it was a serious question as I have not seen anything in the press and do not want to scroll through the 1200 pages or so on here. I am not having a go.
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Haway man, don't you think it would be top of the page if it was all official.
 
nordic said:
I know someone who has worked with the players at the club for a very long time and he did say Sam was the best manager they have ever had from a players point of view. He said he was totally consistent even when the results where going the way he liked. He said all the other managers would panic and change stuff to suit the fans or try and change the system to get the results. The result being the players never knew what to do but Sam would be totally consistent with what he told the players and the players loved him for it.
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One thing I always said about Sam when he was here was you could see exactly what he was doing, and whilst we weren't initially picking up points, he turned losses into draws then draws into wins. The performances we would put in would more often than not be good ones and you could see it was going to click and I was always confident of him keeping us up.

In comparison to Ross it seems the total opposite as whilst we win games the performances are more often than not extremely poor, and it looks more like wins will turn into draws.

That being said I'm not sure I'd be overjoyed if Allardyce came back. His transfer dealings are pretty murky with certain agents being used seemingly a higher priority than players targeted, he tends to throw money about now too much, he rarely seems to hang about anywhere for any reasonable amount of time and he's already binned us off once first chance he got (although admittedly for a much bigger job).
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Allardyce would probably do a better job in League One/Championship than Jack Ross, can't argue with that. I'd be thinking more long-term if I was making the decisions though.
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Not going to say you're wrong mate, all about opinions. For me, 3 years is fairly long term nowadays for a manager! If Allardyce could get us back to the PL in 3 seasons (after this one) with the backing the new owners could give him, and if they could get other background things in place in that time, then they could see us in a great position when we next amount appoint someone, that's long term enough for me at this stage; they get the club ready for the future, he gets us into the league we need to be in. Anyone else who is really long term would be a huge risk imo
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
One thing I always said about Sam when he was here was you could see exactly what he was doing, and whilst we weren't initially picking up points, he turned losses into draws then draws into wins. The performances we would put in would more often than not be good ones and you could see it was going to click and I was always confident of him keeping us up.

In comparison to Ross it seems the total opposite as whilst we win games the performances are more often than not extremely poor, and it looks more like wins will turn into draws.

That being said I'm not sure I'd be overjoyed if Allardyce came back. His transfer dealings are pretty murky with certain agents being used seemingly a higher priority than players targeted, he tends to throw money about now too much, he rarely seems to hang about anywhere for any reasonable amount of time and he's already binned us off once first chance he got (although admittedly for a much bigger job).
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Summary mate, aye or nor?
 
Gala said:
Summary mate, aye or nor?
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If it was a toss up between Sam and Ross then Sam all day but I'd rather go with someone that will hopefully hang around for more than one season than someone who could decide they cant be arsed with football anymore (again) and lumber us with an expensively assembled squad a new bloke doesn't want.
The Cabbage said:
SD and CM know fuck all about football, mind.
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Agree with this tbh.
 
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