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Tasman said:
Hopefully the EFL can now implement a surcharge on transfers that deliver a slush fund to help clubs out, its in the premier leagues best interests to keep clubs going as its the very breeding ground for players to develop and move on to the bigger clubs that keeps them competative in Europe...
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How much will that generate, hardly anything as the vast majority of big transfers are in PL and EFL won’t be able to tax them
Th answer is to tighten up the fit and problem process and signs are that’s happening
 


shaun61 said:
Bolton v Ipswich still on on Saturday.
The tea lady and janitor are picking the team.
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Big Sam's been quiet he must have a bob or two....didn't he get 400k for that undercover interview
thamesvalleyman said:
They will be expelled from the League Cup with Sheffield Wednesday given a bye to the next round. Sadly, it's inevitable they will be thrown out of the league soon.
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It might have been mentioned on here but Mansfield must be pissed off as they got pipped for automatic last season and ended up losing the play offs ...the EFL must have known about the situation so should have swapped with Bury...so if Bury go then there will be extra promotion place presumably or only 3 for relegation...?
 
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Grumpy Old Man said:
I'd check the chairman's business history if I were you - it's decidedly murky, with several failed businesses behind him, and several buy to let landlords nursing losses as a result of some student flats development going pear-shaped. At best, he's a Walter Mitty type with considerably less business acumen that he thinks he has.
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A failed business isn't indicitive of a flawed character or incompetence. I'm business, it happens. I have 2 failed ones behind me and I'm now extremely wealthy and successful on the back of my third. 12 years now.
 
Mackem Mad said:
Deadline is 5pm today.
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C’mon Manchester United, Manchester City, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Sunderland, Newcastle, Aston Villa and the rest of the "massive clubs"… put your hands in your wallets or are you all just full of shit?

There are two historic football clubs – Bury and Bolton Wanderers – in imminent danger of dying, why aren’t the “big” clubs helping them out?
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As much as everybody wants to see them survive where do you draw the line at helping? It could easily be Sunderland in that situation or Leeds, one of the PL clubs,then you have the problem of other teams saying lets overspend because the big clubs will bail us out
 
Duracel Funny said:
A failed business isn't indicitive of a flawed character or incompetence. I'm business, it happens. I have 2 failed ones behind me and I'm now extremely wealthy and successful on the back of my third. 12 years now.
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I won't disagree. However, there are actions taken here (like loans at Wonga-like interest rates from companies owned by business acquaintances) which go much further than bad luck. David Conn has done a full forensic job on the sorry mess ‘We never got that money’: the inside story of Bury’s road to financial ruin
 
Tasman said:
Hopefully the EFL can now implement a surcharge on transfers that deliver a slush fund to help clubs out, its in the premier leagues best interests to keep clubs going as its the very breeding ground for players to develop and move on to the bigger clubs that keeps them competative in Europe...
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Hopefully they won’t, because charlatan owners will just treat it as an extension of their bank balance.

More strict checks and balances on football club ownership will stop this.
 
Tasman said:
Hopefully the EFL can now implement a surcharge on transfers that deliver a slush fund to help clubs out, its in the premier leagues best interests to keep clubs going as its the very breeding ground for players to develop and move on to the bigger clubs that keeps them competative in Europe...
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Problem for clubs like Bury and other smaller clubs is that it's no longer 'the breeding ground for players to develop and move on to the bigger clubs'.

The bigger clubs just hoover up any potential for their vast academies and just discard the hundreds that don't make the grade. The cost of transfers now makes that economical for them. There isn't the potential left for these clubs to develop. Traditionally that's how these clubs survived by developing a player or 2 along the way and selling to the bigger clubs but in recent years their methods have had to change to just scooping up the players the bigger clubs academies discard. One of their biggest revenue streams has dried up.

It won't be long before we operate like Spain, Holland and other countries where the big clubs have their 'B' or 'Young' teams operating in the equivalent of the championship avoiding them even loaning many to the small clubs for development. They will develop them internally using their own resources and playing them in the Championship.
 
woodlebert said:
I would expect them to organise other clubs to pitch in, pay debts and work with Bury to find an owner
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It’s not the responsibility of other clubs to pitch in. And it’s not the responsibility of the FA or, other clubs for that matter to pay Bury’s debt or look for a new owner due to the failings of the last one.

Posts such as yours are what happen when you mistake sympathy for governance and rules and regulations, and assume it’s always compulsory for everyone else to chip in and clean up the mess when the shit hits the fan due to someone’s incompetence.
DJP said:
How come the likes of Gateshead and Darlington got kicked down the pyramid when their finances went tits up but Bolton and Bury are still in League One making a mess of our division? They should have both been demoted a few divisions so at least if they get their houses in order they would have a solid platform to build from instead of still having to finance a League One structure.
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Here’s a suggestion, instead of posting, go and research the difference.
 
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Thurston said:
It’s not the responsibility of other clubs to pitch in. And it’s not the responsibility of the FA or, other clubs for that matter to pay Bury’s debt or look for a new owner due to the failings of the last one.

Posts such as yours are what happen when you mistake sympathy for governance and rules and regulations, and assume it’s always compulsory for everyone else to chip in and clean up the mess when the shit hits the fan due to someone’s incompetence.
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Yeah that’s why I said they would need to work to find a new owner. That owner would then work within and respect the rules and regs

I have no problem knowing the difference between rules and regs and sympathy
 
FC United of Manchester said:
Problem for clubs like Bury and other smaller clubs is that it's no longer 'the breeding ground for players to develop and move on to the bigger clubs'.

The bigger clubs just hoover up any potential for their vast academies and just discard the hundreds that don't make the grade. The cost of transfers now makes that economical for them. There isn't the potential left for these clubs to develop. Traditionally that's how these clubs survived by developing a player or 2 along the way and selling to the bigger clubs but in recent years their methods have had to change to just scooping up the players the bigger clubs academies discard. One of their biggest revenue streams has dried up.

It won't be long before we operate like Spain, Holland and other countries where the big clubs have their 'B' or 'Young' teams operating in the equivalent of the championship avoiding them even loaning many to the small clubs for development. They will develop them internally using their own resources and playing them in the Championship.
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Agreed and I've argued similar for years on a range of subjects. Englands national team for instance, would be exponentially stronger if all youth players found thier level by their early 20s with a hundred first team appearances under thier belts by that point, which ever leagues they may be in. Only then can true player development happen naturally. Chelsea, man city etc.. buying every half decent 16 year old and boxing them away till thier early 20s may be good for thier bank accounts in the short term but its having a massive knock on effect throughout football.

We had some loan players over the last few years - djilibodji, ajaria, browning, etc.. who were valued highly by thier premier league parent clubs but couldnt even cope in the championship.

I think the FA need to introduce some form of squad size cap, without loopholes for academy players, and tell the top clubs to either give their 17/18/19 year olds game time or let them go into the league system somewhere. Let the talent filter through.

I Slightly digress from the Bury scenario but it's all linked
 
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