Jack Ross Record

[samaistonsrightfoot]

We don’t lose many games, but some of the performances have been rotten, which is concerning.

If the team that played yesterday are picked consistently, we’ll be fine, imo.

As long as he can get them up for other games. Yesterday felt like we raised our game a bit because there's a bit of a rivalry going on. There was more intensity than there has been.

What I would say about Ross is that he doesn't seem to have lost any of the players. Band fair play to him for admitting he's wasted the whole summer and cost us points in the last two games by completely changing things.

 

[DoctorMick]

The 'sack Ross' movement is laughable, as to disagree that this club was a 'rapidly sinking ship's. Christ, people have short memories. When we came down to league 1 this club was a basket case emotionally, financially and everything else. It felt even worse than the mid 80's to me because we actually looked like we could go under.
We really have to stop this endless round of sacking managers after one full season, its madness. He's done ok in the face of huge odds really, and deserves at least another season with full backing. Tin hat on, and this won't suit the hate brigade I know, but I'm sure the vast majority of real fans want him to have a chance to succeed here.

So you’re saying people who want him gone aren’t real fans? Fuck off man, I’m not in the Ross out camp (I’m still on the fence) but that’s just patronising bollocks.

 

[threepenny bits]

The football on offer has been shite under him.

Was loads better yesterday, players playing in positions they know at last, who would have thought that would improve us...

 

[TravellingMackem]

To say we are so far above this division as Celtic are theirs is eithet Magesque self delusion, mental abberation or utterly clueless cuntism of the highest order.

Please get some sense of reality. We spent £4m on Grigg, £1m on Wyke and about £1m on other players. The whole league combined apart from us spent £200k or thereabouts. That gives us about 97% of the total league spend. This is equivalent to Man City spending about £50bn in the January transfer window this season. We had premier league players last season in Oviedo and Catts. We had previous league one winners in badically every other position. We have McGeady who is by far the best player in the division and capable of being at a top championship side. To suggest we didn’t have a massive advantage over other sides is naive at best. Luton played in the conference two years ago - we played in the PL - and they finished above us. Charlton didn’t have 18 players to start the season. Pompey nearly went bankrupt 12 months prior to the start of last season. Barnsley sold half their team and didn’t replace many of them. We aren’t the only club with issues. To finish behind any of those should be considered an aberration by our clubs standards, but the happy clappers have become so pacified by Moyes and Grayson and others that they’ll accept total mediocrity. Sorry but last season was so far away from acceptable it isn’t even funny.

The 'sack Ross' movement is laughable, as to disagree that this club was a 'rapidly sinking ship's. Christ, people have short memories. When we came down to league 1 this club was a basket case emotionally, financially and everything else. It felt even worse than the mid 80's to me because we actually looked like we could go under.
We really have to stop this endless round of sacking managers after one full season, its madness. He's done ok in the face of huge odds really, and deserves at least another season with full backing. Tin hat on, and this won't suit the hate brigade I know, but I'm sure the vast majority of real fans want him to have a chance to succeed here.

The previous owner paid off the debt entirely and we had £40m worth of parachute payments to keep us afloat. The problem players were offloaded way before the season started and other teams had way worse problems than us

 

[Bob Gurney's Ghost]

So you’re saying people who want him gone aren’t real fans? Fuck off man, I’m not in the Ross out camp (I’m still on the fence) but that’s just patronising bollocks.

No, you fuck off man. Talk about being precious!
You should learn to read and interpret properly before wading in with your shite. I said THE VAST MAJORITY OF REAL FANS want him to succeed here. That would suggest the MINORITY of REAL FANS don't, wouldn't it? How do you automatically jump to that meaning I'm slagging fans off?

 

[wrighty]

His total record is played 50, lost 5, drew 22, won 23. With the best team, budget and club in the division. Ask yourself - would Bayern, Barca, ajax, Celtic, all be happy with that record? They are equally as above their divisions as we are, but wouldn’t have won many titles with records comparable to that

Blimey that’s some sense of entitlement you’ve got there given we absolutely stank the championship out .

 

[JO1912]

He has won less than half of his league games since he’s been here and with our resources that is poor and the reason we didn’t get promoted last season. Great result yesterday and hopefully we go on a run now

 

[Chop Sauce]

As he goes into his 50th League game this week Ross has only lost five of them., he also took the team to a Wembley final in the process. It's also generally agreed that he took over a rapidly sinking ship that was described by some as a 'basket case' of a club.

As the Manager Sack race starts in earnest (note Huddersfield on Friday) I suspect a lot of Chairman and owners would look at that record with interest. Surely it's time to be grateful for what we"ve got?

Not perfect, but some people need to be careful what they wish for

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[Lord Alfred]

Blimey that’s some sense of entitlement you’ve got there given we absolutely stank the championship out .

Sheffield United aside none of the other "big clubs" who drop into this league take more than two seasons to get back and most do it in one. As one poster pointed out Wolves did what we did with consecutive relegations then got a record 103 points and stormed the league.

 

[Mrjardine]

As he goes into his 50th League game this week Ross has only lost five of them., he also took the team to a Wembley final in the process. It's also generally agreed that he took over a rapidly sinking ship that was described by some as a 'basket case' of a club.

As the Manager Sack race starts in earnest (note Huddersfield on Friday) I suspect a lot of Chairman and owners would look at that record with interest. Surely it's time to be grateful for what we"ve got?

Not perfect, but some people need to be careful what they wish for

Barnsley had more upheaval than us and their manager took them up with much less resource.
Ross has failed miseearly so far no matter how it’s neen dressed up.

 

[wrighty]

Please get some sense of reality. We spent £4m on Grigg, £1m on Wyke and about £1m on other players. The whole league combined apart from us spent £200k or thereabouts. That gives us about 97% of the total league spend. This is equivalent to Man City spending about £50bn in the January transfer window this season. We had premier league players last season in Oviedo and Catts. We had previous league one winners in badically every other position. We have McGeady who is by far the best player in the division and capable of being at a top championship side. To suggest we didn’t have a massive advantage over other sides is naive at best. Luton played in the conference two years ago - we played in the PL - and they finished above us. Charlton didn’t have 18 players to start the season. Pompey nearly went bankrupt 12 months prior to the start of last season. Barnsley sold half their team and didn’t replace many of them. We aren’t the only club with issues. To finish behind any of those should be considered an aberration by our clubs standards, but the happy clappers have become so pacified by Moyes and Grayson and others that they’ll accept total mediocrity. Sorry but last season was so far away from acceptable it isn’t even funny.


The previous owner paid off the debt entirely and we had £40m worth of parachute payments to keep us afloat. The problem players were offloaded way before the season started and other teams had way worse problems than us

I get your point(s) but there’s more to having a successful team than expensive individuals on big wages. Forming a cohesive team unit that works together is not simply a question of spending money. It’s about achieving the right balance of attitude, work ethic, skill and understanding between the players. None of this stuff happens overnight. The club last season also had to flush out the thoroughly rotten losing culture which had taken root over two whole seasons.
I think you are massively simplifying how big a task it is to rebuild a team and a club that was in the state we were in.

Sheffield United aside none of the other "big clubs" who drop into this league take more than two seasons to get back and most do it in one. As one poster pointed out Wolves did what we did with consecutive relegations then got a record 103 points and stormed the league.

That’s just not right. Or are Leeds not a big club?

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

The 'sack Ross' movement is laughable, as to disagree that this club was a 'rapidly sinking ship's. Christ, people have short memories. When we came down to league 1 this club was a basket case emotionally, financially and everything else. It felt even worse than the mid 80's to me because we actually looked like we could go under.
We really have to stop this endless round of sacking managers after one full season, its madness. He's done ok in the face of huge odds really, and deserves at least another season with full backing. Tin hat on, and this won't suit the hate brigade I know, but I'm sure the vast majority of real fans want him to have a chance to succeed here.

Which managers have we sacked after one full season?

 

[TravellingMackem]

Blimey that’s some sense of entitlement you’ve got there given we absolutely stank the championship out .

Which teams are better than us in this league then?

I get your point(s) but there’s more to having a successful team than expensive individuals on big wages. Forming a cohesive team unit that works together is not simply a question of spending money. It’s about achieving the right balance of attitude, work ethic, skill and understanding between the players. None of this stuff happens overnight. The club last season also had to flush out the thoroughly rotten losing culture which had taken root over two whole seasons.
I think you are massively simplifying how big a task it is to rebuild a team and a club that was in the state we were in.

That’s just not right. Or are Leeds not a big club?

All of the things you identify could be attributed to Ross’ failures

 

[thamesvalleyman]

Barnsley had more upheaval than us and their manager took them up with much less resource.
Ross has failed miseearly so far no matter how it’s neen dressed up.

Disagree on that marra. We were an absolute car crash of a club. 2 successive relegations, massively in debt , uncertainty around the takeover, tossers like Ndong and Papy on strike, 36 players in and out, we were an absolute shambles.

I said that my gut feeling was it would take us 2 years to get out of this league and I'm expecting JR to deliver this season.

 

[Mrjardine]

Disagree on that marra. We were an absolute car crash of a club. 2 successive relegations, massively in debt , uncertainty around the takeover, tossers like Ndong and Papy on strike, 36 players in and out, we were an absolute shambles.

I said that my gut feeling was it would take us 2 years to get out of this league and I'm expecting JR to deliver this season.

Barnsley had just been relegated and had more incomings and outgoings than us. They also had a manager new to English football which was another excuse used for Ross.
We should have been promoted last season.

 

[Bob Gurney's Ghost]

Which managers have we sacked after one full season?

Dont be a pedant, you get the point. We've been through summat like 12 managers in 15 years haven't we? I'm sure you can furnish us all with the correct statistics!

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

Dont be a pedant, you get the point. We've been through summat like 12 managers in 15 years haven't we? I'm sure you can furnish us all with the correct statistics!

I remember Moyes staying for a full season but he quit after being the only one to relegate us.

 

[the sleeping giant]

The bloke did indeed, steady the ship but you've got to question whether we'd reached close to rock bottom when he joined and therefore the only way was up, anyway.

But every club looks for progress. Our form declined from Nov /Dec last year and has been inconsistent ever since. I believe that this group of players are still under performing and there still appears to be a lack of cohesion on a week to week basis.

No-one can be sure what his preferred XI or formation is. There's a good determination to persevere and grind out results but I don't believe there's the confidence in the camp that there should be. I blame some of that on Ross's demeanour and approach.

I'd genuinely love him to be successful here but my gut feel remains that the job is too big for him.

 

[Clueless]

I disagree with the rapidly sinking ship bit. Fair enough we were on the back of 2 relegations but had new ownership etc & assembled a squad that had Oviedo, Cattermole, McGeady, McLaughlin, Maja. Wolves had back to back relegations then stormed it in league 1 too.

Realistically I don’t think we could have finished any lower than we did last season. There’s too much quality in the side to not win games. The amount of times we go behind and the level of performance tells me more about the manager than anything else.

So, to be clear, the order in which the goals are scored during a football match is determined not by the men on the field of play, but by the bloke standing on the touchline ? Fascinating ! Who knew ?!

 

[BiddickHallBootBoy]

Wedve won half of them 19 draws last season we'd be in the championship

Fate has dealt us a great hand, only 12 months ago, we where in disarray, and I feel, we needed another season in div1 to consolidate, get some investment, and then kick on.
the club's recruitment this season has concentrated on quality, unlike last year, which was a numbers game, I am happy for little steps, and maintaining a balanced budget.
or we could buy a £40 million pound striker, who gets injured when the going gets tough! Lol!!!