Stephanie Frappart

[sunderpitt]

FFS... how about, women ref the women's game and men ref the men's game. The worlds going PC mad...

The man's game will soon become very diluted...

All we need are good refs irrespective of gender..

Have you seen the performance of some refs in this turd division.... if anyone can be better let them be LGBT ert so what!

 

[Super Colin Todd]

She was very sweaty.....A major boo, boo, too!

 

[Deleted User 18963]

So you're categorically stating that every single male footballer in the premier league is physiologically superior to every single female football in the world?

You need to be basing this off the weakest male in the team, as a female footballer only needs to be better than the weakest/slowest male footballer to not be the largest problem.

Yep. Every single one will be able to jump higher, lift more and kick the ball harder.

Not sexist. Just pure physiology. People need to accept males are simply the more suited to such a sport and when they are compared or asked to play each other the males will win every time.

 

[Keith S30S]

That's probably what they are doing?

Idea that if you picked top 100 refs in Europe that not a single one of them would be a women is clearly absurd. I'd expect, if women were given more support, you'd get at least equality over time - if not women being better. Data says they are better at most cognitive things, so...

She's a French 2nd division ref. She did an OK job but she's obviously not one of the best refs in Europe at this present time. With experience and time she may become one of the best, who knows?

 

[dcl0sc]

All we need are good refs irrespective of gender..

Have you seen the performance of some refs in this turd division.... if anyone can be better let them be LGBT ert so what!

OK... What next? when are the first women going to be playing in the men's league. I'm all for women having equal rights. So fare enough, have their own league system, clubs, officials etc but I don't see why we have to cross over the too.

I'm not a caveman, sexists or anything of the sort, I'm fully behind women's rights/equality, I used to go off it about my local working men's club, who didn't let women into the bar. I argued for ages that women should be allowed in and if not, they should have their own bar where men can't enter.

I just don't like this race by the liberal lovey dovey left, to cross over everything the opposite sexes do, particularly in football, when clearly the male and the female games are poles apart.

How is this referee going to react to the male players lambasting her? Oh aye, they'll be labelled sexist yada yada yada for shouting and intimidating her.

It's like the equal pay argument. There is no way that women footballers should be paid the same as men. The men's game brings in millions upon millions, more demanding both physically and mentally and has a far superior level of interest amongst fans, so they get paid proportionally.

Blah Blah Blah... I'll be labelled backwards, sexist or a caveman etc etc so fuck! #bothered

 

[Deleted User 18963]

OK... What next? when are the first women going to be playing in the men's league. I'm all for women having equal rights. So fare enough, have their own league system, clubs, officials etc but I don't see why we have to cross over the too.

I'm not a caveman, sexists or anything of the sort, I'm fully behind women's rights/equality, I used to go off it about my local working men's club, who didn't let women into the bar. I argued for ages that women should be allowed in and if not, they should have their own bar where men can't enter.

I just don't like this race by the liberal lovey dovey left, to cross over everything the opposite sexes do, particularly in football, when clearly the male and the female games are poles apart.

How is this referee going to react to the male players lambasting her? Oh aye, they'll be labelled sexist yada yada yada for shouting and intimidating her.

It's like the equal pay argument. There is no way that women footballers should be paid the same as men. The men's game brings in millions upon millions, more demanding both physically and mentally and has a far superior level of interest amongst fans, so they get paid proportionally.

Blah Blah Blah... I'll be labelled backwards, sexist or a caveman etc etc so fuck! #bothered

They actually get paid a greater percentage than males.

 

[becs]

Do I really have to answer that question?

I'm not trying to threaten your masculinity sweet cheeks xx

 

[flusheding]

Yep. Every single one will be able to jump higher, lift more and kick the ball harder.

Not sexist. Just pure physiology. People need to accept males are simply the more suited to such a sport and when they are compared or asked to play each other the males will win every time.

Considering 16 and 17 year olds play for premier league clubs I'd bet you all the money I have that you're wrong. I'm not talking about the theoretical peak performance of anyone, just simply can any female footballer in the world outperform aspects that a single premier league footballer can.

It's like if you tried to argue that Serena Williams wasn't able to beat any professional male tennis player.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

She's a French 2nd division ref. She did an OK job but she's obviously not one of the best refs in Europe at this present time. With experience and time she may become one of the best, who knows?

She's now a French 1st division ref, and was the highest rated in League 2. There's a female ref in the Bundesliga too. She was largely invisible last night, which is usually the sign of a good refereeing performance. By being given the game yesterday, she was actually on a hiding to nothing, She cam through it better than most of our PL refs would have, and streets ahead of the shite we have to contend with at the moment.

 

[Hulkenburger]

Considering 16 and 17 year olds play for premier league clubs I'd bet you all the money I have that you're wrong. I'm not talking about the theoretical peak performance of anyone, just simply can any female footballer in the world outperform aspects that a single premier league footballer can.

It's like if you tried to argue that Serena Williams wasn't able to beat any professional male tennis player.

R.E Serena Williams, that's essentially true. She was beaten by a mens player ranked outside the top 200 in straight sets.

I have no issue with this ref though, if she's qualified and performed well, there's no issue surely?

 

[Deleted User 18963]

Considering 16 and 17 year olds play for premier league clubs I'd bet you all the money I have that you're wrong. I'm not talking about the theoretical peak performance of anyone, just simply can any female footballer in the world outperform aspects that a single premier league footballer can.

It's like if you tried to argue that Serena Williams wasn't able to beat any professional male tennis player.

You're trying to find loop holes. It's relative. The peak performance male players Vs peak performance female players are very far away in physiology. The fact your trying to say the best female player agaisnt a 16 year old would mean a difference shows my point.

It's relative. Female professionals would be fitter than me and you but it's relative.

World cup champions male Vs world cup champions female. That's the direct comparison. It would be a no contest for ever single attribute important to high level football performance.

Your tennis example is a strange one too. One of the very best female players ever got smashed off a male who is unheard of

R.E Serena Williams, that's essentially true. She was beaten by a mens player ranked outside the top 200 in straight sets.

I have no issue with this ref though, if she's qualified and performed well, there's no issue surely?

Exactly. Not sure why people get so defensive about it. Males are far superior in the majority of mainstream sports due to physiology. We don't decide that. It's done for us.

 

[tunstallhill]

You're trying to find loop holes. It's relative. The peak performance male players Vs peak performance female players are very far away in physiology. The fact your trying to say the best female player agaisnt a 16 year old would mean a difference shows my point.

It's relative. Female professionals would be fitter than me and you but it's relative.

World cup champions male Vs world cup champions female. That's the direct comparison. It would be a no contest for ever single attribute important to high level football performance.

Your tennis example is a strange one too. One of the very best female players ever got smashed off a male who is unheard of


Exactly. Not sure why people get so defensive about it. Males are far superior in the majority of mainstream sports due to physiology. We don't decide that. It's done for us.

i think a better comparison would be could a female professional footballer cut in a mens professional league, say league 2 as a starting point. and if she could, would she earn more than being at the top of the women's game? and would she even want to? like all mens footballers, players naturally find there rough level, i think the main argument is 'is there any female players who would cut it in professional football?' - and if so, is there anything stopping them from doing so?

this ref argument is completely different, that lass ref last night is clearly better than most refs outside of the top flight in England, or at least equal. but referreeing doesn't require and particular physical skills other than being in good shape.

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

She's a French 2nd division ref. She did an OK job but she's obviously not one of the best refs in Europe at this present time. With experience and time she may become one of the best, who knows?

You only get experience by being tried out. And she did very well.

You've been dancing on a pin, throwing all sorts of chaff out to try and cover the fact you basically don't want women involved with the men's game. As a point of principle.

 

[Deleted User 18963]

i think a better comparison would be could a female professional footballer cut in a mens professional league, say league 2 as a starting point. and if she could, would she earn more than being at the top of the women's game? and would she even want to? like all mens footballers, players naturally find there rough level, i think the main argument is 'is there any female players who would cut it in professional football?' - and if so, is there anything stopping them from doing so?

this ref argument is completely different, that lass ref last night is clearly better than most refs outside of the top flight in England, or at least equal. but referreeing doesn't require and particular physical skills other than being in good shape.

The ref arguement is different. Of course. They are not physically competing with anyone.

Also, no. A female footballer would not be able to cut it in league 2 or 1 for example. Would be utterly outrageous.

 

[tunstallhill]

The ref arguement is different. Of course. They are not physically competing with anyone.

Also, no. A female footballer would not be able to cut it in league 2 or 1 for example. Would be utterly outrageous.

it would be interesting to see what league would be there current level. obviously at some point down the ladder they would become competitive. i think technically, some of the players at the WC this summer were way above league 1 standard, its just the speed/strength issue. would be interesting non the less.

 

[Deleted User 18963]

it would be interesting to see what league would be there current level. obviously at some point down the ladder they would become competitive. i think technically, some of the players at the WC this summer were way above league 1 standard, its just the speed/strength issue. would be interesting non the less.

Don't think they would be. Didn't the female worldcup champions get beat 5-2 of an under 15 academy team?

 

[Keith S30S]

She's now a French 1st division ref, and was the highest rated in League 2. There's a female ref in the Bundesliga too. She was largely invisible last night, which is usually the sign of a good refereeing performance. By being given the game yesterday, she was actually on a hiding to nothing, She cam through it better than most of our PL refs would have, and streets ahead of the shite we have to contend with at the moment.

The best ref in our Championship last season isn't the best ref in Europe either and that's a better level than the French 2nd division.

You only get experience by being tried out. And she did very well.

You've been dancing on a pin, throwing all sorts of chaff out to try and cover the fact you basically don't want women involved with the men's game. As a point of principle.

Total rubbish.

If a man had exactly the same career as the lady in question he wouldn't have been in the top 100 possibles for refereeing this game.

She did OK but it was a political decision.

 

[The Muffin Man]

Thought she did an excellent job and noticeably less dissent from the players. Gender of refs is not important, doing a good job is and she did a good job....If we get refs that good all this season I would be both shocked and over the moon as the men we have had have largely been f***ing shite.

 

[flusheding]

You're trying to find loop holes. It's relative. The peak performance male players Vs peak performance female players are very far away in physiology. The fact your trying to say the best female player agaisnt a 16 year old would mean a difference shows my point.

It's relative. Female professionals would be fitter than me and you but it's relative.

World cup champions male Vs world cup champions female. That's the direct comparison. It would be a no contest for ever single attribute important to high level football performance.

Your tennis example is a strange one too. One of the very best female players ever got smashed off a male who is unheard of


Exactly. Not sure why people get so defensive about it. Males are far superior in the majority of mainstream sports due to physiology. We don't decide that. It's done for us.

I'm not trying to find loop holes. It is incredibly simple, anyone who can perform better than the worst performing premier league footballer has a right to play premier league football. It's as simple as that, unless you're going to put specific targets that male footballers have to meet otherwise they aren't allowed to play.

It doesn't matter whether it turned out to be only 1 woman could outperform the worst premier league footballer or thousands can, you shouldn't be treating them differently JUST because of sex, you can treat them differently on performance but that is not consistent for either sex. Some men's footballers are extremely slow, some seem fairly weak, some have no footballing technique, some have no stamina and need to be subbed at 60 minutes. If a female footballer can out perform those attributes, why should they not be allowed?

I think you're referring to a match 20 years ago where both Williams' sisters played an ex pro?

 

[sunderpitt]

OK... What next? when are the first women going to be playing in the men's league. I'm all for women having equal rights. So fare enough, have their own league system, clubs, officials etc but I don't see why we have to cross over the too.

I'm not a caveman, sexists or anything of the sort, I'm fully behind women's rights/equality, I used to go off it about my local working men's club, who didn't let women into the bar. I argued for ages that women should be allowed in and if not, they should have their own bar where men can't enter.

I just don't like this race by the liberal lovey dovey left, to cross over everything the opposite sexes do, particularly in football, when clearly the male and the female games are poles apart.

How is this referee going to react to the male players lambasting her? Oh aye, they'll be labelled sexist yada yada yada for shouting and intimidating her.

It's like the equal pay argument. There is no way that women footballers should be paid the same as men. The men's game brings in millions upon millions, more demanding both physically and mentally and has a far superior level of interest amongst fans, so they get paid proportionally.

Blah Blah Blah... I'll be labelled backwards, sexist or a caveman etc etc so fuck! #bothered

As you say you are not really a redneck backwoods man.

Men in most sports are stronger and faster.. but all that is being said, there are some really awful men refs about atm. If a better ref happens to be a woman...use them...