Shooting in a mosque in NZ...

[sonson]

This mentality is a cancer to this country and perpetuates the growing anger we see, want more bombings and shootings? Subscribe to this thinking.

Minorities are being fed a diet of hate against “evil” native Brits who have done all the wrongs of the world and deserve ire as a result.

They’re not being fed a diet of hate mate.

They’re looking back in the family tree and seeing how their family and heritage was shafted and they’re angry that the people whose ancestors did it are in denial of it and acting like peaceful integration here is some sort of evil invasion when they try it.

 

[r@mside]

I don't think we're in a position yet to be able to draw a line under our Imperial past.

Much of our current foreign policy is shaped by that history and we continue to pursue activities that restrict the ability of other countries to determine their own future.

In the meantime corporations (probably the biggest culprits of British colonial transgressions) supported by our government are still exploiting and/or controlling the resources of other nations.

We're no longer operating as an individual nation either, where America influenced the 'freedom' of the colonies, we joined with them in many areas to continue empire building under a different flag.

We can claim we shouldn't be held responsible or accountable but we vote in the politicians who perpetuate these policies and support the exploitative corporations through our consumerism.

It's not self-loathing to be aware of those problems associated with our past, it's just honest introspection. It's something that many far right activists should consider instead of assuming the privileges they were born with are some kind of divine right.

 

[sonson]

Over a million European enslaved by the Barbary slave trade. Romans enslaving Britons. The black plaugue killing 1/3 of the European population after being brought (arguably knowingly) via trade routes.

The point I’m making is that history is filled with horrible, oppresive actions and fingers can be pointed in all directions. I am not responsible for what some people in history did and likewise I should not holds others accountable for actions taken against me by people vaguely related to them.

Over a million European enslaved by the Barbary slave trade. Romans enslaving Britons. The black plaugue killing 1/3 of the European population after being brought (arguably knowingly) via trade routes.

The point I’m making is that history is filled with horrible, oppresive actions and fingers can be pointed in all directions. I am not responsible for what some people in history did and likewise I should not holds others accountable for actions taken against me by people vaguely related to them.

You benefit from the recent actions of your ancestors mate. That’s the difference. It’s not distant history. It’s the foundation upon which Britain established itself as a premier nation and London especially became the centre of the world. It’s why we are where we are, one of the most powerful nations in the world, and not just some also-ran island in the Atlantic. Almost all of our political power on the world stage still stems from Imperialist political influence and many of the bigger issues in the world were created by it.

It’s also why many of the wealthy nations we occupied are now barren and without the means to thrive that they would have otherwise had.

If you want to take the attitude towards history of la la I’m not listening then go ahead. But be consistent. Do it for literally everything and not just the stuff it suits you to do it for. Do it for the Bradford you once remembered and are now lamenting. Forget about it. It’s 36% mixed race now. Move on. Do it for British society before 50 years of peaceful legal invited immigration. Move on.

Because if you dont want people to bring up the awkward bad stuff in Britain’s past but are happy to bring up the stuff that isn’t remotely problematic to make a political point, you’re a twat.

 

[Charlie Chimp]

I don't think we're in a position yet to be able to draw a line under our Imperial past.

Much of our current foreign policy is shaped by that history and we continue to pursue activities that restrict the ability of other countries to determine their own future.

In the meantime corporations (probably the biggest culprits of British colonial transgressions) supported by our government are still exploiting and/or controlling the resources of other nations.

We're no longer operating as an individual nation either, where America influenced the 'freedom' of the colonies, we joined with them in many areas to continue empire building under a different flag.

We can claim we shouldn't be held responsible or accountable but we vote in the politicians who perpetuate these policies and support the exploitative corporations through our consumerism.

It's not self-loathing to be aware of those problems associated with our past, it's just honest introspection. It's something that many far right activists should consider instead of assuming the privileges they were born with are some kind of divine right.

Great post mate

You benefit from the recent actions of your ancestors mate. That’s the difference. It’s not distant history. It’s the foundation upon which Britain established itself as a premier nation and London especially became the centre of the world. It’s why we are where we are, one of the most powerful nations in the world, and not just some also-ran island in the Atlantic. Almost all of our political power on the world stage still stems from Imperialist political influence and many of the bigger issues in the world were created by it.

It’s also why many of the wealthy nations we occupied are now barren and without the means to thrive that they would have otherwise had.

If you want to take the attitude towards history of la la I’m not listening then go ahead. But be consistent. Do it for literally everything and not just the stuff it suits you to do it for. Do it for the Bradford you once remembered and are now lamenting. Forget about it. It’s 36% mixed race now. Move on. Do it for British society before 50 years of peaceful legal invited immigration. Move on.

Because if you dont want people to bring up the awkward bad stuff in Britain’s past but are happy to bring up the stuff that isn’t remotely problematic to make a political point, you’re a twat.

Another great post

 

[nz joe]

They’re not being fed a diet of hate mate.

They’re looking back in the family tree and seeing how their family and heritage was shafted and they’re angry that the people whose ancestors did it are in denial of it and acting like peaceful integration here is some sort of evil invasion when they try it.

You are being a bit selective with your history mate . In NZ for instance the Maori invaded this country by canoe from the Hawiian Islands ,conquering the native population ,then the British and the Dutch came and did the same but not so violently . The European invaders did not wipe out the Maori as they had done to the natives they found here .
So there was fault on both sides and basically everyone in NZ is descended from immigrants . It is such a pity we can't all remember that and be one nation .
Nearly every family in this country have. European and Maori blood , apart from more recent immigrants . So why the hell can't we all get on .
This arsehole was an abhoration , not even a New Zealander .

 

[Cypher]

Anyone seen the latest Alex Jones video on this? There is at least two with him presenting. I saw parts of the four hour long one - absolute clusterfuck. His usual output interspersed with scenes from the bible throughout.

 

[BigPete]

Great post mate



Another great post

How’s your bro doing mate?

Surely his ban must be nearly up now been ages!

 

[zinedine]

You benefit from the recent actions of your ancestors mate. That’s the difference. It’s not distant history. It’s the foundation upon which Britain established itself as a premier nation and London especially became the centre of the world. It’s why we are where we are, one of the most powerful nations in the world, and not just some also-ran island in the Atlantic. Almost all of our political power on the world stage still stems from Imperialist political influence and many of the bigger issues in the world were created by it.

It’s also why many of the wealthy nations we occupied are now barren and without the means to thrive that they would have otherwise had.

If you want to take the attitude towards history of la la I’m not listening then go ahead. But be consistent. Do it for literally everything and not just the stuff it suits you to do it for. Do it for the Bradford you once remembered and are now lamenting. Forget about it. It’s 36% mixed race now. Move on. Do it for British society before 50 years of peaceful legal invited immigration. Move on.

Because if you dont want people to bring up the awkward bad stuff in Britain’s past but are happy to bring up the stuff that isn’t remotely problematic to make a political point, you’re a twat.

He's a tw@t for not wanting to hang on to the past? Really?
One of the reasons there is so much strife and anger in the world is because of the festering hatred and bitterness that people like you harbour. There is a point which has to be reached where we say what's gone has gone, it's time to move on.
Not a man alive today had any involvement in what you were spouting there The majority of us just want to live our lives in peace with every other man, religion and country in the world. As long as we are expected to constantly grovel and apologise for the past that will never happen. You probably see yourself as morally superior but you're a part of the problem.

Self hatred is a disease among certain factions in this country. Do any other countries suffer from this? Germany and the war maybe?

 

[sonson]

You are being a bit selective with your history mate . In NZ for instance the Maori invaded this country by canoe from the Hawiian Islands ,conquering the native population ,then the British and the Dutch came and did the same but not so violently . The European invaders did not wipe out the Maori as they had done to the natives they found here .
So there was fault on both sides and basically everyone in NZ is descended from immigrants . It is such a pity we can't all remember that and be one nation .
Nearly every family in this country have. European and Maori blood , apart from more recent immigrants . So why the hell can't we all get on .
This arsehole was an abhoration , not even a New Zealander .

I’m not being selective. NZ is one of the most benign examples of British colonialism but I never said otherwise nor did I say that all British Imperialism was violent or such. I know that the Maori not only invaded NZ’s indigenous population but they ate quite a few of them to boot.

I’m not claiming the British are the only or worst Imperial power to have existed or anything. The reason I raised the question of British History was in response to posters being emotional and inflammatory about a potential cultural takeover or worse from people who have come here peacefully and with every right to do so. Whereas we made a history of supplanting other nation’s cultures and my only that but the same people so against peaceful integration maintain that the actions of their ancestors were either not an issue or even to be commended.

Just a simple exercise in empathy. If theyre getting worked up over peaceful changes in culture and society as a result of progressive cultural exchange then how the fuck can they be so blase about the chapter of history in which their own nation expressly challenged and overthrew the culture of other nations the world over without apology and not infrequently with violence or threats thereof?

 

[Charlie Chimp]

How’s your bro doing mate?

Surely his ban must be nearly up now been ages!

He's good mate. Itching to get back on. He said he tried to get back on the other day but still banned. 4 months for calling a mag a kernt. Bit harsh if you ask me.

Rest in peace @ProfessionalMackem

 

[BigPete]

He's good mate. Itching to get back on. He said he tried to get back on the other day but still banned. 4 months for calling a mag a kernt. Bit harsh if you ask me.

Rest in peace @ProfessionalMackem

Really harsh considering what mags get away with, does it not give him a date when he’s allowed back?

 

[Charlie Chimp]

Really harsh considering what mags get away with, does it not give him a date when he’s allowed back?

He thought it was end of Feb. But probably end of this month.

He reckons he's not going to bite to any more mags and put them on ignore. Time will tell lol

 

[BigPete]

He thought it was end of Feb. But probably end of this month.

He reckons he's not going to bite to any more mags and put them on ignore. Time will tell lol

Best way but they make absolute helmets of themselves all the time so funny to see that.

 

[theredflag]

You benefit from the recent actions of your ancestors mate. That’s the difference. It’s not distant history. It’s the foundation upon which Britain established itself as a premier nation and London especially became the centre of the world. It’s why we are where we are, one of the most powerful nations in the world, and not just some also-ran island in the Atlantic. Almost all of our political power on the world stage still stems from Imperialist political influence and many of the bigger issues in the world were created by it.

It’s also why many of the wealthy nations we occupied are now barren and without the means to thrive that they would have otherwise had.

If you want to take the attitude towards history of la la I’m not listening then go ahead. But be consistent. Do it for literally everything and not just the stuff it suits you to do it for. Do it for the Bradford you once remembered and are now lamenting. Forget about it. It’s 36% mixed race now. Move on. Do it for British society before 50 years of peaceful legal invited immigration. Move on.

Because if you dont want people to bring up the awkward bad stuff in Britain’s past but are happy to bring up the stuff that isn’t remotely problematic to make a political point, you’re a twat.

If the empire was such a benefit in terms of resource how come we couldn't afford to keep it?

 

[sonson]

He's a tw@t for not wanting to hang on to the past? Really?
One of the reasons there is so much strife and anger in the world is because of the festering hatred and bitterness that people like you harbour. There is a point which has to be reached where we say what's gone has gone, it's time to move on.
Not a man alive today had any involvement in what you were spouting there The majority of us just want to live our lives in peace with every other man, religion and country in the world. As long as we are expected to constantly grovel and apologise for the past that will never happen. You probably see yourself as morally superior but you're a part of the problem.

Self hatred is a disease among certain factions in this country. Do any other countries suffer from this? Germany and the war maybe?

Sigh. I’m not going to answer this again. In 40 years hardly anyone responsible for the closure of the mines will be alive. Presumably Folk pointing out how the region is still fucked as a consequence of overthrowing a two hundred year industry in the region and the community and social fabric will be hateful and should just move on rather than hold that accurate grievance. No-one alive responsible for it. Imagine all the people, living for today. Can’t we all just get along? No we can’t because life isn’t equal precisely because people benefit from the actions of their predecessors and people are also fucked because of the same.

Also it’s a total double standard. If he dosent want to hang on to the past he wouldn’t care what I said about and neither would you. You so want to hang on to the past, you just want to be told that it was all positive or uniquely to any other event in the history of mankind, an action that dosent have consequences. All happened in a vacuum.

If the empire was such a benefit in terms of resource how come we couldn't afford to keep it?

Leading question. We didn’t decide not to keep it, it was untenable because we broke ourselves in WW2. A very noble thing as we knew that would be the consequence. Also the reason we stayed out of the Spanish Civil War, there was a common consensus among the establishment that Britain could not afford any more wars for a long time if it wanted to maintain hegemony. In spite of that we declared war on Germany out of a sense of moral imperative. Of that I am immensely proud.

 

[Charlie Chimp]

He's a tw@t for not wanting to hang on to the past? Really?
One of the reasons there is so much strife and anger in the world is because of the festering hatred and bitterness that people like you harbour. There is a point which has to be reached where we say what's gone has gone, it's time to move on.
Not a man alive today had any involvement in what you were spouting there The majority of us just want to live our lives in peace with every other man, religion and country in the world. As long as we are expected to constantly grovel and apologise for the past that will never happen. You probably see yourself as morally superior but you're a part of the problem.

Self hatred is a disease among certain factions in this country. Do any other countries suffer from this? Germany and the war maybe?

If only life was that simple. Unfortunately it's not. You say let's forget everything cos none of us alive should bear the burdens of our ancestors. I'm sorry mate. Was our invasion of the middle east not just a few year back? Should we forget the part we played in the yanks wanting a foothold there are behest of their zionist overlords?


The powers that be love the fact we're fighting amongst ourselves. They've played a blinder. War makes money. Peace does not. It's really that simple.

 

[zinedine]

Sigh. I’m not going to answer this again. In 40 years hardly anyone responsible for the closure of the mines will be alive. Presumably Folk pointing out how the region is still fucked as a consequence of overthrowing a two hundred year industry in the region and the community and social fabric will be hateful and should just move on rather than hold that accurate grievance. No-one alive responsible for it. Imagine all the people, living for today. Can’t we all just get along? No we can’t because life isn’t equal precisely because people benefit from the actions of their predecessors and people are also fucked because of the same.

Also it’s a total double standard. If he dosent want to hang on to the past he wouldn’t care what I said about and neither would you. You so want to hang on to the past, you just want to be told that it was all positive or uniquely to any other event in the history of mankind, an action that dosent have consequences. All happened in a vacuum.


Leading question. We didn’t decide not to keep it, it was untenable because we broke ourselves in WW2. A very noble thing as we knew that would be the consequence. Also the reason we stayed out of the Spanish Civil War, there was a common consensus among the establishment that Britain could not afford any more wars for a long time if it wanted to maintain hegemony. In spite of that we declared war on Germany out of a sense of moral imperative. Of that I am immensely proud.

Nobody is getting shot because the mines were closed though. One half of my family were East Durham coalfield mine workers and those still alive no longer bare any malice over what happened. They've moved on maybe you should do the same.

 

[theredflag]

Sigh. I’m not going to answer this again. In 40 years hardly anyone responsible for the closure of the mines will be alive. Presumably Folk pointing out how the region is still fucked as a consequence of overthrowing a two hundred year industry in the region and the community and social fabric will be hateful and should just move on rather than hold that accurate grievance. No-one alive responsible for it. Imagine all the people, living for today. Can’t we all just get along? No we can’t because life isn’t equal precisely because people benefit from the actions of their predecessors and people are also fucked because of the same.

Also it’s a total double standard. If he dosent want to hang on to the past he wouldn’t care what I said about and neither would you. You so want to hang on to the past, you just want to be told that it was all positive or uniquely to any other event in the history of mankind, an action that dosent have consequences. All happened in a vacuum.


Leading question. We didn’t decide not to keep it, it was untenable because we broke ourselves in WW2. A very noble thing as we knew that would be the consequence. Also the reason we stayed out of the Spanish Civil War, there was a common consensus among the establishment that Britain could not afford any more wars for a long time if it wanted to maintain hegemony. In spite of that we declared war on Germany out of a sense of moral imperative. Of that I am immensely proud.

I too am proud of the UK declaring war for principle purposes (see Britain's not all bad eh).

So basically you are simultaneously claiming empires are a net expense and also led to is being enriched - which is it. You could just as easily argue we would be richer today per capita without the empire (Switzerland, Sweden etc etc)

 

[sonson]

Nobody is getting shot because the mines were closed though. One half of my family were East Durham coalfield mine workers and those still alive no longer bare any malice over what happened. They've moved on maybe you should do the same.

Sorry you’re saying that White Supreamacists have a point? That people agitating for racial equality and recognition rather than just “moving on” are *contributing* to events like Friday?

Fuck off mate. You’re pathetic. People like you are the issue and I’m glad you’re on the way out.

I too am proud of the UK declaring war for principle purposes (see Britain's not all bad eh).

So basically you are simultaneously claiming empires are a net expense and also led to is being enriched - which is it. You could just as easily argue we would be richer today per capita without the empire (Switzerland, Sweden etc etc)

Not a binary issue mate.

It became a net expense after having to fund the largest conflict in World History to maintain it it in a crippled state and under pressure from internal nationalist movements.

Before then I.e most of its entire history it was manifestly incredibly profitable . I mean of course it was.

 

[theredflag]

Sorry you’re saying that White Supreamacists have a point? That people agitating for racial equality and recognition rather than just “moving on” are *contributing* to events like Friday?

Fuck off mate. You’re pathetic. People like you are the issue and I’m glad you’re on the way out.


Not a binary issue mate.

It became a net expense after having to fund the largest conflict in World History to maintain it it in a crippled state and under pressure from internal nationalist movements.

Before then I.e most of its entire history it was manifestly incredibly profitable . I mean of course it was.

Very much agree it's a complex issue. However the main commercial benefit IMO once we'd moved past the east India company stage was access to markets. This arguably led to some loss of competitiveness in the long run Vs other economies who didn't have such a captive.market (e.g. the Swiss).