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Guinness Guzzler said:
Tin hat on but I wouldn't want that. I'd like him here for the rest of this season but there's no guarantee he'd do it in the Championship. Personally if he isn't going to stay, develop and potentially become a big asset for us financially I'd rather (if we go up) that we move on with players who want to be here. Be typical if he ended up being mediocre in the Championship and we were stuck paying a percentage of his larger wages, preventing us from bringing someone else in. Makes sense to have him for the rest of this season, unlikely we'll be able to afford or convince a genuine Championship quality striker to come when we might still be here next year, but if he can help fire us up there we should be able to attract someone in the summer
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I agree, i’d Have him until the end of the season then hopefully we’re in the Championship and we move on! If no-one comes in for him and we’re stuck with him anyway we’ve just got to hope he stays in England and not go abroad or Scotland and if he keeps scoring then surely the tribunal fee gets bigger due to potential
 
Roker Mackem said:
18 months? Fuck that
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So it's pretty much "he'll be nowhere near playing for us, so how about we give you a low fee since he's nearly out of contract, but you've done a good job of bringing his game on so you can keep developing him for us". No thanks. Makes perfect sense to sell him and get him back for the rest of this season, makes very little sense to commit to having him for 18 months
 
If he doesn’t want to sign a contract extension for us and wants to be at West Ham then give him a painting of a spitfire and wish him all the best for the future.

We aren’t a feeder club for clubs no bigger than ours. Shite with that
 
I would prefer to just take a slightly higher fee and say "Bye bye Josh lad. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out...". :neutral:

We picked him up, developed him and then West Ham come along, get him on the cheap and have the audacity to say "Oh, and you can keep him for the next 18 months to continue his development, saves us the hassle" .

The effing cheek of it... :rolleyes:
 
We ideally need a couple of clubs interested in him where one might try and eliminate the opposition by buying him now as opposed to waiting until the summer and potentially miss out on him. Three would be ideal. Cardiff, West Ham and a another .
 
Cardiff, Boro or West Ham.....or stay, sign the contract and be first choice, build on his first proper season and make a name for himself, a move to a side much bigger than the 3 mentioned will come but he needs to think about playing time over £££££ if he's to get to the very top.
 
dcl0sc said:
I would prefer to just take a slightly higher fee and say "Bye bye Josh lad. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out...". :neutral:

We picked him up, developed him and then West Ham come along, get him on the cheap and have the audacity to say "Oh, and you can keep him for the next 18 months to continue his development, saves us the hassle" .

The effing cheek of it... :rolleyes:
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I agree.

Or dont committ to playing him next yesr n let them pay his wage. Develop our own players, let him warm the bench at their expense.
 
When deciding on how to try and deal with this situation, in my view we need to make a judgement on the value (to SAFC) of having Josh Maja as our player, balanced against the commitment to pay him whatever we agree under the contract.

I have no real idea of the actual figures involved, but if you do the sums then the principle is the same - is it worth it?

Say we persuade Josh to sign a new deal now, for three and a half years at £1 million a year. (It may be too late for that, if Cardiff or West Ham are offering him more.) We are committed to paying him £3.5 million over the period. That is a risk, but if when doing that deal we think that by summer 2020 Josh's value will be £1.5 million or more, then it's a good deal for us at that level. We could transfer Josh in 2020 for £1.5 million, and we'd have had him playing for us for no outlay whatsoever. Anything above £1.5 million and we'll have turned a profit.

Like I say, I have no idea of the true figures involved, but the principle is the same. We could agree to pay Josh Maja £2 million a year (£40,000 a week in football talk) and so long as we can sell him on in summer 2020 for £3 million then we'll have done well. If we agree to pay him £50,000 a week then we'd need to sell in June 2020 for about £3.75 million in order to recoup all of his wages (and therefore have him effectively play for us for free for 16 months). I don't think that selling for £3.75 million in 2020 would be unrealistic.

My view is that he is clearly a player, and that by next summer there will be at least a few clubs who would be prepared to buy his services for £3 million or more. The current offer talked about at the £2 million level may just reflect his current contractual status - with 2 years left on his contract I don't think a fee of £4 million next year is out of the question.

I think Josh Maja is an asset for us, not just in what he does on the pitch this season. Offering him more money to sign is obviously a risk to some degree, but in my view is one worth taking. I think the chances of Josh's value falling to below £1 million by summer 2020 are small indeed. Even selling at £1 million in June 2020 after paying him £1.8 million (£25,000 a week) wouldn't be the end of the world.

There are times when you have to back your judgment of a player. I've seen enough of this lad to bet that he'll be a successful player in the future. SAFC need to try and keep him here for the time being. What is the alternative? Relying on the the other players we currently have? No thanks. Again, I would back my judgement of their abilities. They are not good enough. If we are to try and buy a replacement, what would be the cost of a transfer fee and wages? And in 18 months' time,will we have a worthwhile asset? As much as I'd like us to find another Keven Phillips or Marco Gabbiadini, I think it's unlikely that we will.

So, all in all I think that we need to offer Josh enough to try and persuade him to stay. We may already have offered him as much as I think he's worth (and I would say he's worth paying at least £1.5 million a year) and it may now be too late. But I hope we're trying to sign him up and that we're being realistic with offers to him
 
If he leaves in January, having him loaned back to us until the end of the season would be about the best outcome.

However, I would not like to see him back next season.

The most important thing is that we get promotion and having him in the team, scoring goals is in our best interest. This far outways my gut reaction that says “if he wants to leave then fuck him”. That said, if we can go up and be able to bring in players of a better calibre in the summer (and we really have to) it would be a backwards step to have him in our side next season, continuing his development for someone else’s benefit.
 
Simple Simon said:
When deciding on how to try and deal with this situation, in my view we need to make a judgement on the value (to SAFC) of having Josh Maja as our player, balanced against the commitment to pay him whatever we agree under the contract.

I have no real idea of the actual figures involved, but if you do the sums then the principle is the same - is it worth it?

Say we persuade Josh to sign a new deal now, for three and a half years at £1 million a year. (It may be too late for that, if Cardiff or West Ham are offering him more.) We are committed to paying him £3.5 million over the period. That is a risk, but if when doing that deal we think that by summer 2020 Josh's value will be £1.5 million or more, then it's a good deal for us at that level. We could transfer Josh in 2020 for £1.5 million, and we'd have had him playing for us for no outlay whatsoever. Anything above £1.5 million and we'll have turned a profit.

Like I say, I have no idea of the true figures involved, but the principle is the same. We could agree to pay Josh Maja £2 million a year (£40,000 a week in football talk) and so long as we can sell him on in summer 2020 for £3 million then we'll have done well. If we agree to pay him £50,000 a week then we'd need to sell in June 2020 for about £3.75 million in order to recoup all of his wages (and therefore have him effectively play for us for free for 16 months). I don't think that selling for £3.75 million in 2020 would be unrealistic.

My view is that he is clearly a player, and that by next summer there will be at least a few clubs who would be prepared to buy his services for £3 million or more. The current offer talked about at the £2 million level may just reflect his current contractual status - with 2 years left on his contract I don't think a fee of £4 million next year is out of the question.

I think Josh Maja is an asset for us, not just in what he does on the pitch this season. Offering him more money to sign is obviously a risk to some degree, but in my view is one worth taking. I think the chances of Josh's value falling to below £1 million by summer 2020 are small indeed. Even selling at £1 million in June 2020 after paying him £1.8 million (£25,000 a week) wouldn't be the end of the world.

There are times when you have to back your judgment of a player. I've seen enough of this lad to bet that he'll be a successful player in the future. SAFC need to try and keep him here for the time being. What is the alternative? Relying on the the other players we currently have? No thanks. Again, I would back my judgement of their abilities. They are not good enough. If we are to try and buy a replacement, what would be the cost of a transfer fee and wages? And in 18 months' time,will we have a worthwhile asset? As much as I'd like us to find another Keven Phillips or Marco Gabbiadini, I think it's unlikely that we will.

So, all in all I think that we need to offer Josh enough to try and persuade him to stay. We may already have offered him as much as I think he's worth (and I would say he's worth paying at least £1.5 million a year) and it may now be too late. But I hope we're trying to sign him up and that we're being realistic with offers to him
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:eek: :lol:
 
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