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samaistonsrightfoot said:
Was from someone who I know knows someone at the club although I don’t often get much info from him. He did tell me PDC was gone before anyone knew (his biggest claim to fame) and also told me some info pre season about the new kit and the sponsor, and something else (which I’m pm’d someone on here about at the time). He was right about the kit and sponsor but the other thing he said hasn’t happened, but was similar to changing the badge/stand names so may well have been talked about privately then but never acted on. He has also told me something else that is so mental I don’t think it can be true but will wait and see because if he’s right about that I’ll believe everything he ever tells me again :lol:



Or he just wants to wait and see what happens. A deadline wouldn’t change that. If he decides in May he wants a new contract we wouldn’t say no.

To me it sounds like ‘If you don’t sign by Friday we will sell you’ amid a report he’s been offered about for 1.5 million (I know Donald quashed it).
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The club has to protect itself also...Maja playing out his contract then leaving for peanuts isn’t a great scenario for the club either. Like I said, they can structure the deal to keep Maja’s options open and protect the club but if he doesnt want any part of that then the club has to act, imo.

The Sheepfolds End said:
Firstly, I think they should have offered him better terms. As if what I heard is correct (an average league 1 salary) then I don’t think he was likely to sign.

Secondly, I don’t think they should have announced this deadline. That is purely posturing.
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Firstly, you have no idea what the club has offered him or how any deal has been presented. Secondly, why would the club be posturing? Do you really think its a good negotiating tactic to bully someone who holds all the leverage or do you think its a reaction by the club who are frustrated by the negotiations? What sounds more logical??
 
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LineTrash said:
The club has to protect itself also...Maja playing out his contract then leaving for peanuts isn’t a great scenario for the club either. Like I said, they can structure the deal to keep Maja’s options open and protect the club but if he doesnt want any part of that then the club has to act, imo.
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Act by doing what? If we sell him now we need to use the cash from him to replace him to sign someone who might score, might settle, might have a good attitude. If we keep him until the summer we have a player who is scoring almost every game and still get some money back from a tribunal so the difference would be very little after having to buy a replacement.

I don’t really blame him for wanting to wait until the summer to decide what he wants to do, presuming that is what he is doing.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Act by doing what? If we sell him now we need to use the cash from him to replace him to sign someone who might score, might settle, might have a good attitude. If we keep him until the summer we have a player who is scoring almost every game and still get some money back from a tribunal so the difference would be very little after having to buy a replacement.

I don’t really blame him for wanting to wait until the summer to decide what he wants to do, presuming that is what he is doing.
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Who said anything about selling?
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Act by doing what? If we sell him now we need to use the cash from him to replace him to sign someone who might score, might settle, might have a good attitude. If we keep him until the summer we have a player who is scoring almost every game and still get some money back from a tribunal so the difference would be very little after having to buy a replacement.

I don’t really blame him for wanting to wait until the summer to decide what he wants to do, presuming that is what he is doing.
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Agree with all of this.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
This is my point about the deadline. It’s worthless unless it’s a cut off date to ship him out. He could turn around and sign in May. The deadline is irrelevant in that scenario.
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He could sign in May...do you think they haven’t discussed that and even tried on working on a structured deal like promotion or incentives?? You might be 100% right but I see it as the club have exhausted all the scenarios and gave his agent the ultimatum...that’s just my opinion. It’s what seems like a logical conclusion to me, I just don’t see why else there would be a deadline.
 
LineTrash said:
He could sign in May...do you think they haven’t discussed that and even tried on working on a structured deal like promotion or incentives?? You might be 100% right but I see it as the club have exhausted all the scenarios and gave his agent the ultimatum...that’s just my opinion. It’s what seems like a logical conclusion to me, I just don’t see why else there would be a deadline.
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I’d imagine they have but he hasn’t wanted to do it for whatever reason. I just don’t really see it as an ultimatum unless it’s for something else like being sold.

For example “you’ve got until Friday to sign a new contract, except if you don’t you can still sign one any time in the next 6 months anyway” isn’t really an ultimatum

However, “You’ve got until Friday to sign a new contract and if you don’t we will sell you and use the time left we have in the window to sign a replacement” definitely is an ultimatum.
 
LineTrash said:
The club has to protect itself also...Maja playing out his contract then leaving for peanuts isn’t a great scenario for the club either. Like I said, they can structure the deal to keep Maja’s options open and protect the club but if he doesnt want any part of that then the club has to act, imo.



Firstly, you have no idea what the club has offered him or how any deal has been presented. Secondly, why would the club be posturing? Do you really think its a good negotiating tactic to bully someone who holds all the leverage or do you think its a reaction by the club who are frustrated by the negotiations? What sounds more logical??
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Firstly, I’m not getting into any ITK nonsense. It achieves nowt.

Secondly, IMO the club didn’t need to release any statement while negotiations were ongoing other than to say there were ongoing. It was public posturing or at least appears to be and I’d imagine it looks like they’re attempting to strongarm Maja and his agent. If it works, fair play to them.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
I’d imagine they have but he hasn’t wanted to do it for whatever reason. I just don’t really see it as an ultimatum unless it’s for something else like being sold.

For example “you’ve got until Friday to sign a new contract, except if you don’t you can still sign one any time in the next 6 months anyway” isn’t really an ultimatum

However, “You’ve got until Friday to sign a new contract and if you don’t we will sell you and use the time left we have in the window to sign a replacement” definitely is an ultimatum.
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What if the club gave him 3 or 4 options and said here are options for any way you want the contract to be, that keeps your options open but also protects us that if we don’t get promoted and a club comes in for you we get a nice fee...? What if Maja gets hurt and sits out most of the next half a season and we get promoted...maybe that option is in there too. What if we gave every scenario and his agent comes back and says, we want to wait out the window to see if any Championship clubs come in...? What would be your advise to Stewart??
 
John J Rambo said:
Based on what Donald has said and mistakes of owner past, I'd be surprised if we have already promised players more without knowing what league we are in. Might be a clause in contract etc, but based on promotion.
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There will be a few notes stuck in his boots come Saturday .... on the other hand that didn’t work out so well for us in the 50s.
 
The Sheepfolds End said:
Firstly, I’m not getting into any ITK nonsense. It achieves nowt.

Secondly, IMO the club didn’t need to release any statement while negotiations were ongoing other than to say there were ongoing. It was public posturing or at least appears to be and I’d imagine it looks like they’re attempting to strongarm Maja and his agent. If it works, fair play to them.
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How are we in position to strong arm Maja??
 
LineTrash said:
What if the club gave him 3 or 4 options and said here are options for any way you want the contract to be, that keeps your options open but also protects us that if we don’t get promoted and a club comes in for you we get a nice fee...? What if Maja gets hurt and sits out most of the next half a season and we get promoted...maybe that option is in there too. What if we gave every scenario and his agent comes back and says, we want to wait out the window to see if any Championship clubs come in...? What would be your advise to Stewart??
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If he wants to wait though he wants to wait. He doesn’t have to sign a contract with clauses in for his release. He might have more interest when there’s no transfer fees involved or could earn a higher wage when no transfer fee is involved etc etc.

A deadline isn’t a deadline if he can just do what he wants regardless and still sign a deal further down the line with us anyway if he chooses to because there’s no way we would tell him to fuck off because he’s missed the deadline.

A deadline suggests a repercussion such as ‘if you don’t sign we will sell you and replace you’. Especially as the deadline has been set in the first few days of the window.

I’m not sure if we just both aren’t understanding eachs others point.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
I’m not sure if we just both aren’t understanding eachs others point.
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I think this may be the case...

My deadline is for the contract...as in this is our best offer take it or leave it. When I said the club would need to act, the ‘act’ part was the deadline, that they’ve exhausted trying to sign him. Whatever happens after will happen. I don’t think they want to sell him at all unless some over the top bid came in...I think Maja holds all the cards and the club dont want to be jerked around.

DjangoMango said:
This whole thing is just f***ing tedious now isn't it?
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Some people enjoy the hell out of it...usually agents, who get a nice wage from it...
 
LineTrash said:
The club has to protect itself also...Maja playing out his contract then leaving for peanuts isn’t a great scenario for the club either. Like I said, they can structure the deal to keep Maja’s options open and protect the club but if he doesnt want any part of that then the club has to act, imo.



Firstly, you have no idea what the club has offered him or how any deal has been presented. Secondly, why would the club be posturing? Do you really think its a good negotiating tactic to bully someone who holds all the leverage or do you think its a reaction by the club who are frustrated by the negotiations? What sounds more logical??
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Promotion is far far more important then getting a few mill more for someone

I am amazed anyone is considering selling him, its nonsensical
 
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LineTrash said:
I think this may be the case...

My deadline is for the contract...as in this is our best offer take it or leave it. When I said the club would need to act, the ‘act’ part was the deadline, that they’ve exhausted trying to sign him. Whatever happens after will happen. I don’t think they want to sell him at all unless some over the top bid came in...I think Maja holds all the cards and the club dont want to be jerked around.



Some people enjoy the hell out of it...usually agents, who get a nice wage from it...
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I’ve just got this nagging horrible feeling we are going to think ‘1.5 million now. Gerrin. Cher-ching’.
 
The Rat said:
Promotion is far far more important then getting a few mill more for someone

I am amazed anyone is considering selling him, its nonsensical
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Who are we selling him to? What are the clubs we are actively seeking out to sell him to? What asking price did we put out there for him?

samaistonsrightfoot said:
I’ve just got this nagging horrible feeling we are going to think ‘1.5 million now. Gerrin. Cher-ching’.
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Only if these owners are worse than Short and I can’t see that being the case...but who knows! This is their first big test...it Doesn’t get easier moving up in leagues. The money is bigger and the effects are 10x’s worse.
 
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samaistonsrightfoot said:
Act by doing what? If we sell him now we need to use the cash from him to replace him to sign someone who might score, might settle, might have a good attitude. If we keep him until the summer we have a player who is scoring almost every game and still get some money back from a tribunal so the difference would be very little after having to buy a replacement.

I don’t really blame him for wanting to wait until the summer to decide what he wants to do, presuming that is what he is doing.
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I'm starting to think this way now tbh. He's on target for nigh on 30 goals this season and it could well be the difference between top 2 and not. The only concern would be if he was putting it in when sure of being away.
 
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