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I’ve never seen a press conference with so much lack of control in all my life, great viewing but good grief what on earth was going on? No one had any control over what was happening!
 
Still no opponent for Allen or Buatsi in Newcastle FFS. 11 days out and 2 of the 4 fights haven't been announced yet and one of them isn't competitive.

Unfortunately it looks like Ritson's presence alone is enough to pass for a Sky show. Shite.

Anyone going on here?
 
Become a bit disillusioned by Hearn’s antics. We were promised a better quality of product with all the money he’s got coming in, yet we’re still sat complaining about the weaknesses of PPV undercards.

Not too surprised by theNewcastle card, I think it’s good considering it’s in the north east. That Davies Jnr vs Foot fight is enough for me to tune in, but it’s sad we don’t have an opponent for Buatsi when he’s a special prospect.

World Boxing Super Series had an atrocious undercard mind, the money they’d have made going over there and there was only watchable fight.
 
TheBronzeBummer said:
Become a bit disillusioned by Hearn’s antics. We were promised a better quality of product with all the money he’s got coming in, yet we’re still sat complaining about the weaknesses of PPV undercards.

Not too surprised by theNewcastle card, I think it’s good considering it’s in the north east. That Davies Jnr vs Foot fight is enough for me to tune in, but it’s sad we don’t have an opponent for Buatsi when he’s a special prospect.

World Boxing Super Series had an atrocious undercard mind, the money they’d have made going over there and there was only watchable fight.
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I've said a few time on here that I'm generally losing interest in boxing and i mainly put it down to Hearn. There's no doubt that British boxing is generally in a better place in terms of finance and interest and most people having an opinion when a 'big' fight comes round - this thread is a prime example - no way would you get 357 pages in 18 months 3 or 4 years ago (when I much preferred it), but he has reached new markets and it has become more popular, but it's all about PPV now and the product is IMO more diluted - we're now into October and we've had 6 regular Saturday night fight nights (and none have been great on paper) whereas 3 or 4 years ago we'd have 20 in the year. There's not as many middle of the road fighters in his stable now who were around Euro level but it wouldn't really matter if they lost and they'd often be in decent scraps as chief support to a world title fight on regular Sky Sports - there's literally been no world title fight on regular Sky in 2018 and that in itself is shocking. We are pretty much the only sport where we have to pay extra, basically subsidising the over spending on the football.

As for the Newcastle card, I think it's poor, very poor. Far worse than the Ritson-Kelly card in June and a lot worse than Warren's Smith-Williams card last November which had Leather-Foot and a British defence for Tommy Ward in addition to an intriguing main event rematch. Here, the Buatsi and Allen fights are going to be pointless - I thought they would be stepping up Buatsi by now, but that will likely headline a London card or fill up a PPV - who cares about Newcastle eh? Ritson is a modal price of 1/100 to beat Patera who struggled with Masher Dodd less than 2 years ago - he may have won that fight (he didn't get the decision) but if this is going to be competitive then he would really need to be beating Dodd in style, especially after Dodds last couple of performances. Had this have been a Crolla or Burns for the Euro title then it would be fine, but it's not intriguing at all and it's basically just another belt grab for Ritson so that he can get another KO and the hype will increase.

I agree that Foot-Davies is a good fight and does save the show a bit, also helps he's a Sunderland lad, but you see so many British / Commonwealth title fights headlining small halls and not on TV, so for me, that, 2 TBAs and a mismatch main event is not good enough at all.

Quite interesting - from Feb 4th 2017 when this thread was started until Feb 4th 2018 this thread had 90 pages. From Feb 4th 2018 until now (8 months not 12) there have been 267 additional pages.
 
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I've said a few time on here that I'm generally losing interest in boxing and i mainly put it down to Hearn. There's no doubt that British boxing is generally in a better place in terms of finance and interest and most people having an opinion when a 'big' fight comes round - this thread is a prime example - no way would you get 357 pages in 18 months 3 or 4 years ago (when I much preferred it), but he has reached new markets and it has become more popular, but it's all about PPV now and the product is IMO more diluted - we're now into October and we've had 6 regular Saturday night fight nights (and none have been great on paper) whereas 3 or 4 years ago we'd have 20 in the year. There's not as many middle of the road fighters in his stable now who were around Euro level but it wouldn't really matter if they lost and they'd often be in decent scraps as chief support to a world title fight on regular Sky Sports - there's literally been no world title fight on regular Sky in 2018 and that in itself is shocking. We are pretty much the only sport where we have to pay extra, basically subsidising the over spending on the football.

As for the Newcastle card, I think it's poor, very poor. Far worse than the Ritson-Kelly card in June and a lot worse than Warren's Smith-Williams card last November which had Leather-Foot and a British defence for Tommy Ward in addition to an intriguing main event rematch. Here, the Buatsi and Allen fights are going to be pointless - I thought they would be stepping up Buatsi by now, but that will likely headline a London card or fill up a PPV - who cares about Newcastle eh? Ritson is a modal price of 1/100 to beat Patera who struggled with Masher Dodd less than 2 years ago - he may have won that fight (he didn't get the decision) but if this is going to be competitive then he would really need to be beating Dodd in style, especially after Dodds last couple of performances. Had this have been a Crolla or Burns for the Euro title then it would be fine, but it's not intriguing at all and it's basically just another belt grab for Ritson so that he can get another KO and the hype will increase.

I agree that Foot-Davies is a good fight and does save the show a bit, also helps he's a Sunderland lad, but you see so many British / Commonwealth title fights headlining small halls and not on TV, so for me, that, 2 TBAs and a mismatch main event is not good enough at all.

Quite interesting - from Feb 4th 2017 when this thread was started until Feb 4th 2018 this thread had 90 pages. From Feb 4th 2018 until now (8 months not 12) there have been 267 additional pages.
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Good post and I think you’re right about the Newcastle card when you put it like that. We should expect more, like I said, there’s supposed to be a lot more money in it for Hearn now, he should be getting 3/4 intriguing fights per card. For me that Khan show in Liverpool is peak embarrassment.

I understand maybe his roster isn’t big enough to accommodate so many title fights, but I don’t believe Glenn Foot is even a Matchroom fighter, so he should be making sure any decent match ups ordered by certain boards are added to his fight nights to bolster them and make it worth a watch.

I’ve been looking at the upcoming British cards and I think Cyclone have a solid card on Channel 5 coming up. Prospects against decent enough opponents, Lee McGregor vs Thomas Essomba, Chris Billam-Smith vs Robin Dupre and possibly a very good competitive fight between Martin Bakole and Michael Hunter. That’s arguably stronger than the Ritson show coming up and we don’t need to pay a fee.
 
TheBronzeBummer said:
Good post and I think you’re right about the Newcastle card when you put it like that. We should expect more, like I said, there’s supposed to be a lot more money in it for Hearn now, he should be getting 3/4 intriguing fights per card. For me that Khan show in Liverpool is peak embarrassment.

I understand maybe his roster isn’t big enough to accommodate so many title fights, but I don’t believe Glenn Foot is even a Matchroom fighter, so he should be making sure any decent match ups ordered by certain boards are added to his fight nights to bolster them and make it worth a watch.

I’ve been looking at the upcoming British cards and I think Cyclone have a solid card on Channel 5 coming up. Prospects against decent enough opponents, Lee McGregor vs Thomas Essomba, Chris Billam-Smith vs Robin Dupre and possibly a very good competitive fight between Martin Bakole and Michael Hunter. That’s arguably stronger than the Ritson show coming up and we don’t need to pay a fee.
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Yeah, that C5 card is possibly better. Interesting fight as you say with Bakole and Hunter. When Billy Nelson said Bakole was fighting Oct 13th a month or so ago, I half expected / hoped that it would have been Dave Allen in Newcastle, silly me. Absolute disgrace how both have been confirmed on the card for at least 7 weeks yet neither know who they are fighting. Hearn must think Ritson's name alone is enough and fuck the rest of the card.
 
The Bridge Lad said:
I've said a few time on here that I'm generally losing interest in boxing and i mainly put it down to Hearn. There's no doubt that British boxing is generally in a better place in terms of finance and interest and most people having an opinion when a 'big' fight comes round - this thread is a prime example - no way would you get 357 pages in 18 months 3 or 4 years ago (when I much preferred it), but he has reached new markets and it has become more popular, but it's all about PPV now and the product is IMO more diluted - we're now into October and we've had 6 regular Saturday night fight nights (and none have been great on paper) whereas 3 or 4 years ago we'd have 20 in the year. There's not as many middle of the road fighters in his stable now who were around Euro level but it wouldn't really matter if they lost and they'd often be in decent scraps as chief support to a world title fight on regular Sky Sports - there's literally been no world title fight on regular Sky in 2018 and that in itself is shocking. We are pretty much the only sport where we have to pay extra, basically subsidising the over spending on the football.

As for the Newcastle card, I think it's poor, very poor. Far worse than the Ritson-Kelly card in June and a lot worse than Warren's Smith-Williams card last November which had Leather-Foot and a British defence for Tommy Ward in addition to an intriguing main event rematch. Here, the Buatsi and Allen fights are going to be pointless - I thought they would be stepping up Buatsi by now, but that will likely headline a London card or fill up a PPV - who cares about Newcastle eh? Ritson is a modal price of 1/100 to beat Patera who struggled with Masher Dodd less than 2 years ago - he may have won that fight (he didn't get the decision) but if this is going to be competitive then he would really need to be beating Dodd in style, especially after Dodds last couple of performances. Had this have been a Crolla or Burns for the Euro title then it would be fine, but it's not intriguing at all and it's basically just another belt grab for Ritson so that he can get another KO and the hype will increase.

I agree that Foot-Davies is a good fight and does save the show a bit, also helps he's a Sunderland lad, but you see so many British / Commonwealth title fights headlining small halls and not on TV, so for me, that, 2 TBAs and a mismatch main event is not good enough at all.

Quite interesting - from Feb 4th 2017 when this thread was started until Feb 4th 2018 this thread had 90 pages. From Feb 4th 2018 until now (8 months not 12) there have been 267 additional pages.
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Was really hoping that Warren would continue the momentum he seemed to have built up in 2017 but his output this year has been f***ing dreadful as well:

York Hall: Dubois and Yarde in complete mismatches that did nowt for their development, on the other hand Zelfa Barrett vs Ronnie Clark was very good
1st Belfast show: Frampton main eventing against a borderline shot Donaire and Tete in an absolute stinker in the chief support
Elland Road: Canny main event, undercard mostly dreadful
Fury's comeback: Less said about that bill the better
O2 Arena: Decent step up for Dubois, yet another mismatch for Yarde and Martin Murray topping the bill after the farcical phantom injury from Saunders
Windsor Park: Two horrific mismatches topping the bill, although Paddy Barnes getting knocked out on the undercard was tremendous

His show on Saturday looks reasonably promising on paper but Dubois is going to end up fighting only 4 times this year at a maximum which isn't good enough and Yarde's matchmaking gets worse and worse.
 
Maravilla said:
Was really hoping that Warren would continue the momentum he seemed to have built up in 2017 but his output this year has been f***ing dreadful as well:

York Hall: Dubois and Yarde in complete mismatches that did nowt for their development, on the other hand Zelfa Barrett vs Ronnie Clark was very good
1st Belfast show: Frampton main eventing against a borderline shot Donaire and Tete in an absolute stinker in the chief support
Elland Road: Canny main event, undercard mostly dreadful
Fury's comeback: Less said about that bill the better
O2 Arena: Decent step up for Dubois, yet another mismatch for Yarde and Martin Murray topping the bill after the farcical phantom injury from Saunders
Windsor Park: Two horrific mismatches topping the bill, although Paddy Barnes getting knocked out on the undercard was tremendous

His show on Saturday looks reasonably promising on paper but Dubois is going to end up fighting only 4 times this year at a maximum which isn't good enough and Yarde's matchmaking gets worse and worse.
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For some reason I do generally prefer Warren, probably because of the underdog mentality, but yes, regular BT has largely been poor this year after a very promising 2017 and they have now seen the low PPV bar and want a piece of the pie. At least we did get Selby vs Warrington - that would definitely be PPV now I reckon.

Back in the day you'd get a world title on most regular Sky shows (like Bellew, Brook, Quigg, Crolla, Barker, Burns, Frampton etc.) and often a meaningful final eliminator as chief support. Like you'd have the Quigg-Crolla Manchester double headers with a couple of 50/50 British title fights further down the card, or Brook in a world title defence with Rose-Maciel final eliminator as chief support or Lee Selby in a decent fight (before his world title) flanking a bigger name in a big fight. There's just not the fighters in Hearn's stable now like Rendall Munroe, John Murray, Gary Buckland, Martin Lindsay, Brian Rose, Lee Purdy then even those English title level southern lads like Boylan, Camacho, Goodjohn, Tommy Martin, Cassius Connor etc. the latter fighters were all pretty limited and around the same level but could provide a good 50/50 scrap, but crucially be 3rd or 4th down the card, those who could come again if they lost. Now it's just tune ups for Whyte, Khan and Brook as headliners on regular Sky, just promoting them for an inevitable PPV and the rest of the card is filled up with 1/100 tune up shite for the A side, most of them Olympic prospects.

People are looking forward to Foot-Davies on this Newcastle show and it's a good fight, but back in the day, just 3 years ago, you had Quigg-Martinez, Crolla-Perez, Nurse-Jenkins, Eggington-Foot all on the same card, not on PPV. Or a Bellew world title defense, Campbell-Matthews, Burnett-Farrag, Dodd-Patera, not on PPV - Patera is headlining a card up here 2 years later having lost 2 of his last 5 fights FFS. Even those Ricky Burns Scotland world title nights were decent where he'd always be in a good fight and then you'd have the likes of Simpson, Brophy and Simmons in well matched fights supporting the card. It really is sickening this move towards PPV across all the networks resulting in much weaker regular shows and it has put me off the sport. Look at the difference between these 2 big arena, non PPV shows:

BoxRec: Event
BoxRec: Event

Or this one as @TheBronzeBummer says - BoxRec: Event

I also see Hearn has no problem putting these English lads like Coyle, Tennyson, Galahad, Big Twinny Gav, Johnson etc. on his American cards and some of his upcoming DAZN shows look decent, but they are on at 3/4am UK time which is not great and it just massively weakens his home shows as a result.
 
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The Bridge Lad said:
I've said a few time on here that I'm generally losing interest in boxing and i mainly put it down to Hearn. There's no doubt that British boxing is generally in a better place in terms of finance and interest and most people having an opinion when a 'big' fight comes round - this thread is a prime example - no way would you get 357 pages in 18 months 3 or 4 years ago (when I much preferred it), but he has reached new markets and it has become more popular, but it's all about PPV now and the product is IMO more diluted - we're now into October and we've had 6 regular Saturday night fight nights (and none have been great on paper) whereas 3 or 4 years ago we'd have 20 in the year. There's not as many middle of the road fighters in his stable now who were around Euro level but it wouldn't really matter if they lost and they'd often be in decent scraps as chief support to a world title fight on regular Sky Sports - there's literally been no world title fight on regular Sky in 2018 and that in itself is shocking. We are pretty much the only sport where we have to pay extra, basically subsidising the over spending on the football.

As for the Newcastle card, I think it's poor, very poor. Far worse than the Ritson-Kelly card in June and a lot worse than Warren's Smith-Williams card last November which had Leather-Foot and a British defence for Tommy Ward in addition to an intriguing main event rematch. Here, the Buatsi and Allen fights are going to be pointless - I thought they would be stepping up Buatsi by now, but that will likely headline a London card or fill up a PPV - who cares about Newcastle eh? Ritson is a modal price of 1/100 to beat Patera who struggled with Masher Dodd less than 2 years ago - he may have won that fight (he didn't get the decision) but if this is going to be competitive then he would really need to be beating Dodd in style, especially after Dodds last couple of performances. Had this have been a Crolla or Burns for the Euro title then it would be fine, but it's not intriguing at all and it's basically just another belt grab for Ritson so that he can get another KO and the hype will increase.

I agree that Foot-Davies is a good fight and does save the show a bit, also helps he's a Sunderland lad, but you see so many British / Commonwealth title fights headlining small halls and not on TV, so for me, that, 2 TBAs and a mismatch main event is not good enough at all.

Quite interesting - from Feb 4th 2017 when this thread was started until Feb 4th 2018 this thread had 90 pages. From Feb 4th 2018 until now (8 months not 12) there have been 267 additional pages.
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The whole reason the interest in boxing died down in the first place was the overemphasis on the ppv fights. No lads/lasses were been pushed on normal tv, even sky (besides fury on channel 5 unless I’m remembering it wrong) like what happened on the old days of itv so no one got a following. Then Hearn got Joshua signed and flogged him for all his worth :lol: rest is history
 

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