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Voice of fair play
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Maybe while he is captain can certainly see that point to a degree,however no other viable option at 3 makes it difficult.
However what I am mainly getting across is the primary reason imo Root has scored runs in his careeer is the form and quality he has, not where he has batted in the order.
I just really get annoyed with this old lined spouted by pundits who played 30 years ago that "your best player plays at 3"
No they don't, they literally don't, in the modern game they bat at 4. The only one who does is Williamson
Voice of fair play
Striker
My personal feeling is I am not that bothered where top players bat in the order.
Because top players get runs for that very reason they top players not because of their postition in the order.
And honestly think especially in the middle order the actual postition means not that much.
It depends on the make up of the team, don’t think a rookie batsman should be thrown in at the deep end at 3 as England have done in the past just to accommodate your best player at 4.
It’s a different story and fair enough if you have a established number 3.
It short your best batsman should bat why it suits the team not why it suits him
I don't agree with regards to number 3
at number 4 you should be coming in against a softer ball, with the shine taken off. just because the current top order are failing means we move our best play to a position he is not at all comfortable in, and can often be found batting in the 2nd or 3rd over
Get him back down the order and fine some top order players who can blunt it out
smoker
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My choice:
Mitchell
Cook
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Ali
Buttler+
Woakes
Curran
Broad
Anderson
What I think we'll get:
Cook
Jennings
Vince
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler+
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
I think Pope will be dropped as he's been poor.
Far too ODI
Mitchell
Cook
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Ali
Buttler+
Woakes
Curran
Broad
Anderson
What I think we'll get:
Cook
Jennings
Vince
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler+
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
I think Pope will be dropped as he's been poor.
Far too ODI
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Rip Van Fish
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He has a farm...
Voice of fair play
Striker
Root for examole while batting at 4 in a lot his innings where he has been successful, he has been at the crease very very early due to the failings of the top order.
So in a lot of them innings even at 4, he has been at the crease when you woukd normally expect a number 3 to be, yet has still scored big runs, soo not sure what you mean not comfortable with, because he has done that a hell of a lot of times.
Find who? It not that easy there isn’t any!
Rip Van Fish
Striker
Ey Eye Ey Eye- O
you don't need 6 bowlers
choose between woakes and curran
you can't pick curran for his batting like, just because he has had afew knocks with the tail
smoker
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You are f***ing priceless like.
Curran and Woakes are number sixes, averaging 42 and 74.5 respectively with the bat for the series, but let's play Pope, a number six who hasn't made runs because we can't have six bowlers.
In case you hadn't noticed, we've got a shortage of good, specialist batsmen and a load of decent all rounders.
Found me 20 fast bowlers better than Broad yet?You are f***ing priceless like.
Curran and Woakes are number sixes, averaging 42 and 74.5 respectively with the bat for the series, but let's play Pope, a number six who hasn't made runs because we can't have six bowlers.
In case you hadn't noticed, we've got a shortage of good, specialist batsmen and a load of decent all rounders.
You are f***ing priceless like.
Curran and Woakes are number sixes, averaging 42 and 74.5 respectively with the bat for the series, but let's play Pope, a number six who hasn't made runs because we can't have six bowlers.
In case you hadn't noticed, we've got a shortage of good, specialist batsmen and a load of decent all rounders.
Sam Curran is not a batsman at the minute, he has never scored a first class century
He has been dashing down the order and doing it vert well
He doesn;t play 6 fior his county, yet you want him at 6 at internarional level?
He wouldn't average that if he came in at number 4 man ffs
basic cricket
lets open with Chris Woakes then
So your answer is to fill the team with even more all rounders? we need to find a top order man or we will never ever win a test abroad.
Test cricket hasn't changed that much, you need big 100s from your top 6, and you don't under any circumstances need 5 seamers
Sorry for spelling, on my phone
But your logic is so so flawed, you sound like Bayliss, that is 100% exactly the type of team he would pick.
Sam Curran will play a hell of a lot cricket for england, he is a hell of a talent and a very good cricketer. But you don't need Woakes, Anderson, Broad, Stokes and Curran in your time right at this minute, its just a fact
Curran may well develop into a top 6 players but its a hell of a gamble putting them in the test arena
We can't go to Sri Lanka in the Winter with a load of all rounders, we need to find a top 6 who can grind it out, with our wicket keeper at 7.
In India, Bangladesh and Pakistan we have played far too many all rounders
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smoker
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Apologies, only 17:
James Anderson
Fred Trueman
Bob Willis
Jon Snow
Frank Tyson
Harold Larwood
Alec Bedser
Sydney Barnes
Ian Botham
Brian Statham
Simon Jones
John Lever
Tony Lock
Bill Voce
Ken Higgs
Dean Headley
Vallance Jupp
I thought it would be pushing it to make a case for Gough, Caddick or Hoggard but there must be at least three boys from the early years.
Broad has been picked consistently for over ten years and consequently has 427 wickets. That does not make him "one of the best of all time". He actually has very similar average and strike rate to Dominic Cork.
Voice of fair play
Striker
Got to question someone's judgement mind if they think Dean Headley was a better bowler than Stuart Broad!!
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Tony Lock bowled slow left arm!
Dean Headley
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Brexit
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No Steve Harmison of Flintoff? Both of those at their peak were phenomenal.
Simon Jones?
You rate him the same as cork
You are insane
Oh my god I just spotted Dean Headley
You really hate Stuart broad for some strange reason
No broad is one of our best ever as he has consistently won series for us with world class spells
You’ve completely lost the plot here
Dean headley isn’t fit to wipe Stuart broad’s arse
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