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chunkylover53 said:
The challenge is that he has played 18 tests. With mixed results.
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Yeah, hard to argue against this but no one who has came in lately has been any better. I just feel like he has the ability to play any form even if hasn't proved it exactly.

I know 20/20 doesn't have too much influence on test cricket but one thing I've been really impressed with from Buttler in this IPL is his patience and control in his innings. Something he has lacked at times in the past. Maybe clutching at straws here but I hope it translates in to his batting in the longer format. Where in his first chance in tests he either seemed to be really aggressive or totally bogged down, playing a game that seemed alien to him, hopefully this time he can translate his new found patience and timing to the test arena.
 

I still think the key point that people are missing is that Bairstow is going to 5 and Root to 3, that was made my Smith the selector

You then have a free spot at number 7

You either pick an allrounder like Ali, a traditional batsman, or a talent like Buttler

I think its a fair enough call like

People listing middle order players are missing the point, IMO anyway

SAFC 83 said:
Livingstone the only one that should be anywhere near ahead imo.

At least Buttler is a truly world class one day player.
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And you wouldn't play Livingstone at 7 would you., and you wouldn't for Joe Clarke, James Vince, or whoever. Just like you wouldn't play Jos Buttler at 3 or 4
 
The Rat said:
I still think the key point that people are missing is that Bairstow is going to 5 and Root to 3, that was made my Smith the selector

You then have a free spot at number 7

You either pick an allrounder like Ali, a traditional batsman, or a talent like Buttler

I think its a fair enough call like

People listing middle order players are missing the point, IMO anyway



And you wouldn't play Livingstone at 7 would you., and you wouldn't for Joe Clarke, James Vince, or whoever. Just like you wouldn't play Jos Buttler at 3 or 4
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Personally I'd give Buttler the gloves and let Bairstow concentrate on his batting. That would make perfect sense to me as we are desperate for our top order to succeed and we should do everything to help it happen.

I can perfectly understand people not wanting him picked like, I just would like to see him have one more chance.

I suppose you could go with Foakes at 7 and give him the gloves but I haven't seen enough of him to know if he would suit the role.
 
SAFC 83 said:
Personally I'd give Buttler the gloves and let Bairstow concentrate on his batting. That would make perfect sense to me as we are desperate for our top order to succeed and we should do everything to help it happen.

I can perfectly understand people not wanting him picked like, I just would like to see him have one more chance.

I suppose you could go with Foakes at 7 and give him the gloves but I haven't seen enough of him to know if he would suit the role.
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Me as well and if Bairstow has a bad run then the gloves will be the first things to go.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
I believe it was the right time to give Jennings a better chance. Like it not he's the future now and I feel we need to move on which will be difficult as the ecb have fucked about with red ball cricket so much, the test side is struggling and I dont see much coming through. It's a very average squad
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The bottom line is that they are not other alternatives to male it a better squad.

Imo Jemings is not a international cricketerr.
 
The Rat said:
I think Stokes is too good a player for that

I know what you mean, but this is why I was always a fan of Bairstow at 7, as you could have a more traditional batsman at 5



Stoneman deserved to be kept after how he played in NZ when he was consistent, if he keeps that up he is doing his job.
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You'll love me for this, but Bairstow is clearly a better batsman than Stokes.

Don't believe me: find a single format or level of the game where Stokes averages more than Bairstow.

Clue: there isn't one.
 
Foakes. Jennings. Livingstone .gubbins. Clarke and even Vince just be disappointed to miss out to a bloke who's played about 5 first class matches in 18 months or something like that
 
brandon said:
A stupid thing to say? Really? So you think Jos Buttler would play in the IPL for his air fare alone if they asked him to? Now that is stupid.

Fantastic experience, improving him as a Cricketer - definitely, I agree, but only as a WHITE ball Cricketer.

As Bri and Chunky pointed out, he's absolutely mediocre against a red ball and clearly his previous record tells you that he's got no time for it and very little interest in it at all.

We can have a wild card, Bess is that wild card in this squad - young lad, given a go. Buttler is talented, but is he talented against the red ball? No.

I think it was Chunky that said it's like picking someone for an 11 a side football game because they're good at 5 a side - T20 and Test Match Cricket are absolutely poles apart, both are completely different games.
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I've shared this view generally but I have changed my mind. I would like to see Buttler given anoth
scotch said:
Foakes. Jennings. Livingstone .gubbins. Clarke and even Vince just be disappointed to miss out to a bloke who's played about 5 first class matches in 18 months or something like that
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The bottom line is that all of those players have done OK but haven't knocked the door down (although the timing for Vince was a bit unfortunate). In those circumstances picking someone at 7 who is undoubtedly a world class talent is worth a go. Its a long summer and if those players continue to perform they will get their opportunity.
 
I am a big fan of Buttler but this is an odd decision.

I could understand it if he or Foakes been brought in to keep, moving Bairstow up the order, but he's been brought in as a specialist batsman!

"England are really missing a number seven specialist batsman who can throw the bat" said no-one ever.

rentaghost said:
I've shared this view generally but I have changed my mind. I would like to see Buttler given anoth


The bottom line is that all of those players have done OK but haven't knocked the door down (although the timing for Vince was a bit unfortunate). In those circumstances picking someone at 7 who is undoubtedly a world class talent is worth a go. Its a long summer and if those players continue to perform they will get their opportunity.
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He's been wank in test cricket since NZ exposed his weakness outside off stump. Why ruin his confidence having this exposed when he's such a potent white ball player?
 
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smoker said:
I am a big fan of Buttler but this is an odd decision.

I could understand it if he or Foakes been brought in to keep, moving Bairstow up the order, but he's been brought in as a specialist batsman!

"England are really missing a number seven specialist batsman who can throw the bat" said no-one ever.



He's been wank in test cricket since NZ exposed his weakness outside off stump. Why ruin his confidence having this exposed when he's such a potent white ball player?
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I think your second point is a good one - it could effect his confidence his it goes tits up. Howver batting 7 and the freedom that goes with it i'm less concerned over an off stump technical issue. Most 7s in test cricket wont have a perfect batting technique and also wont have the destructive capability that Buttler has.
 
Steak Pie said:
The start of his career is astronomically good for an off spinner, even taking into account the pitches at Ciderlabad. Remains to be seen if he steps up, he might be more Mooen than Murali,
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No modern in the squad so it would seem likely he will start.

Can see wood being 12th man and maybe released back to durham
 
stephen cartwright said:
No modern in the squad so it would seem likely he will start.

Can see wood being 12th man and maybe released back to durham
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Will depend on the pitch. Spinners have had virtually no impact in the CC so far, mainly due to the weather and the green pitches than have followed (Even the before mentioned Taunton fire-pit has been tamed). We might not play a spinner at all.
 
rentaghost said:
I think your second point is a good one - it could effect his confidence his it goes tits up. Howver batting 7 and the freedom that goes with it i'm less concerned over an off stump technical issue. Most 7s in test cricket wont have a perfect batting technique and also wont have the destructive capability that Buttler has.
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He averages 31 at a SR of 55 in test cricket. He's no Gilchrist in that format
 
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