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How long can Rafa last?

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4everredandwhite said:
My thoughts exactly, but he is adamant about it. Personally I think it is wishful thinking on his behalf. Maybe the resident mags on here can enlighten us ?
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He'll be talking about this maybe?

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As for skysports, I reckon he may have had too much to drink & imagined it.
 

Ilios said:
So if Huddersfield, Brighton, Burnley, Watford go down, will the fans be calling for the chairman to resign or the manager? Or perhaps neither.

When teams spend 80m and get relegated, normally you cut costs and the manager has to deal with a small budget and the sale of key players. We sold about 40m pounds worth of players, and Grayson got 1.5m of it back for transfers. Newcastle sold 3 players for about 75m between them, and Rafa got a great big fat chunk of that back to spend, essentially purchasing the title.

Huddersfield and Brighton - what was their budget last season, and this season? A hell of a lot smaller than yours, as was (and is) Burnley's, and they're 6th. Burnley's summer signings amount to Charlie Taylor, Jack Cork and Chris Wood as the only signings they made that cost more than about 2m - and Wood on his own cost almost as much as the other 2 put together, he was their 1 really expensive buy.

For comparison, if you want to complain about not previously signing Lacazette or Aubameyang at younger ages because Ashley tapdanced over spending, you signed Jacob Murphy for 12m (?) this summer (who has been in and out of your team), whilst Richarlison went to Watford for 10m...the value is out there, as long you have a manager who sees past the end of his nose.
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Reiver said:
So start your own Sunderland thread.

Half of your football threads have been about .....






























....... Newcastle :lol:
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Maybe you can help me here Reiver. How does that saying go “ you can fool some of the people some of the time” ? Not sure exactly how it goes but I am convinced the analogy applies to King Mackem the Denier
 
shaun61 said:
It's not like he (fma)sold Sissoko and didn t allow replacements. Just accept that net spend is bollocks. Hes spent almost 100m in his time at Nufc. Accept that fhs .
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It wasn't just Sissoko.

Sylvain Marveaux,
Gabriel Obertan,
Steven Taylor,
Remy Cabella,
Andros Townsend,
Fabricio Coloccini,
Papiss Cisse,
Gini Wijnaldum,
Daryl Janmaat,
Gael Bigirimana,
Moussa Sissoko

Four of them when they could be arsed were very decent players. We've got nothing approaching their quality now.

The net spend is very important. It was only by selling that lot that Ashley sanctioned the purchases that he did.

You're not going to tell me that had we stayed up and there was no fire sale the same amount would have been spent strengthening the side.
 
keybuk said:
It wasn't just Sissoko.

Sylvain Marveaux,
Gabriel Obertan,
Steven Taylor,
Remy Cabella,
Andros Townsend,
Fabricio Coloccini,
Papiss Cisse,
Gini Wijnaldum,
Daryl Janmaat,
Gael Bigirimana,
Moussa Sissoko

Four of them when they could be arsed were very decent players. We've got nothing approaching their quality now.

The net spend is very important. It was only by selling that lot that Ashley sanctioned the purchases that he did.

You're not going to tell me that had we stayed up and there was no fire sale the same amount would have been spent strengthening the side.
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Unless your'e Man City, Chelsea or Man Utd that goes for every fuckin team up and down the country you berk.
 
keybuk said:
It wasn't just Sissoko.

Sylvain Marveaux,
Gabriel Obertan,
Steven Taylor,
Remy Cabella,
Andros Townsend,
Fabricio Coloccini,
Papiss Cisse,
Gini Wijnaldum,
Daryl Janmaat,
Gael Bigirimana,
Moussa Sissoko

Four of them when they could be arsed were very decent players. We've got nothing approaching their quality now.

The net spend is very important. It was only by selling that lot that Ashley sanctioned the purchases that he did.

You're not going to tell me that had we stayed up and there was no fire sale the same amount would have been spent strengthening the side.
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It's not a condition of selling a player that the chairman needs to reinvest it all in a side though. Especially when in a lower division. He could easily have kept all the money he got in sales but he reinvested it all, even after such a loss made by McClaren.

When Benitez was bringing in 60 million worth of players, who aren't good enough for this league according to your fans, Burnley were bringing in 8 of their own for more than 20 million less. Yet they managed to bring in players who now have them 6th in the league. They got a higher standard of player for a smaller outlay.

Similarly when Benitez was spending 10 million on Gayle, Brighton were spending 3 on Murray who scored the same amount of goals, and has more this season.

Why couldn't Benitez bring in players like that with an extra 20 million to spend instead of wasting it all on the players he signed which aren't good enough for the prem?
 
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samaistonsrightfoot said:
It's not a condition of selling a player that the chairman needs to reinvest it all in a side though. Especially when in a lower division. He could easily have kept all the money he got in sales but he reinvested it all, even after such a loss made by McClaren.

When Benitez was bringing in 60 million worth of players, who aren't good enough for this league according to your fans, Burnley were bringing in 8 of their own for more than 20 million less. Yet they managed to bring in players who now have them 6th in the league. They got a higher standard of player for a smaller outlay.

Similarly when Benitez was spending 10 million on Gayle, Brighton were spending 3 on Murray who scored the same amount of goals, and has more this season.

Why couldn't Benitez bring in players like that with an extra 20 million to spend instead of wasting it all on the players he signed which aren't good enough for the prem?
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Aye but what was the all important net spend.;)
 
Binxy said:
Aye but what was the all important net spend.;)
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This is why the net spend argument falls on its arse. You would expect to make a profit on selling players for 30 million + and replacing them with lower value championship players, but they haven't. They've basically made a loss by spending so much on poor players, as well as the loss of revenue following relegation. They are in a worse position now both in squad assets and financially than they were when Benitez took over despite spending almost the same on players as they got in from sales. From that perspective even the 'net spend' looks appalling. Especially while at the same time a PL club is signing players capable of playing PL level for less
 
Ilios said:
So if Huddersfield, Brighton, Burnley, Watford go down, will the fans be calling for the chairman to resign or the manager? Or perhaps neither.

When teams spend 80m and get relegated, normally you cut costs and the manager has to deal with a small budget and the sale of key players. We sold about 40m pounds worth of players, and Grayson got 1.5m of it back for transfers. Newcastle sold 3 players for about 75m between them, and Rafa got a great big fat chunk of that back to spend, essentially purchasing the title.

Huddersfield and Brighton - what was their budget last season, and this season? A hell of a lot smaller than yours, as was (and is) Burnley's, and they're 6th. Burnley's summer signings amount to Charlie Taylor, Jack Cork and Chris Wood as the only signings they made that cost more than about 2m - and Wood on his own cost almost as much as the other 2 put together, he was their 1 really expensive buy.

For comparison, if you want to complain about not previously signing Lacazette or Aubameyang at younger ages because Ashley tapdanced over spending, you signed Jacob Murphy for 12m (?) this summer (who has been in and out of your team), whilst Richarlison went to Watford for 10m...the value is out there, as long you have a manager who sees past the end of his nose.
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f***ing hell, that's going to sting a bit. :D
 
KingMackem said:
There have been other Rafa threads on here that got to something like 300 pages. As a Sunderland fan it's totally embarrassing to see us staring league 1 in the face and the most popular threads on here are about Newcastle but it's no surprise really.

When the mags say the Keegan days and the Sir Bobby days destroyed some of our fans they are right and that's such a shame because everyone knows Sunlun has always been NE top dog marra
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Pretty much all your contributions are about Newcastle and especially on this thread. You should practice what you preach

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/search/20560782/
 
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