Islam Homework project at Sunderland School

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Mackem00 said:
Absolutely no harm in teaching a bit about religion at school in my opinion. Bit prayer and hymn singing. Its nice. You'd think they were indoctrinating kids and creating splinter cells the way some are going on. Get a grip.
Is there anything more irritating and sanctimonious than anti-religion people?
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It literally is indoctrination
 
Royal 8er said:
Why don't you be open about it.
Skirting around the issue shows you for what your agenda is.
How is tommy by the way.
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Agenda. Surely if i had the agenda that you are purporting that i have, i wouldn't be advocating that there may be a better way to teach our children about Islam would I.
In fact, i would think if i was the far right racist scum that you are tarnishing my internet reputation with, i would be demanding that Islam be denounced in school as a religion of hate. But i'm not. So instead of casting the first moral stone in my direction, stop bleating on about far right agenda's.
I may be wrong about the teaching method. Others have come on here and given good insight into why they see nothing wrong in what occurred. I happen to disagree.
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Mackem00 said:
Absolutely no harm in teaching a bit about religion at school in my opinion. Bit prayer and hymn singing. Its nice. You'd think they were indoctrinating kids and creating splinter cells the way some are going on. Get a grip.
Is there anything more irritating and sanctimonious than anti-religion people?
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Aye, you, and religious people.
 
becs said:
I fail to see the difference to be honest. Write a letter pretending you want to convert to Islam is just the same as write a letter pretending to be something else. It's not brainwashing. I really don't think any of the children are going to write the letter and rush off down the mosque to sign up. It's just an exercise in getting children to understand different faiths.

Mine have all gone through Catholic school but none of us are Catholic. I was baptised into a non-denominational Christian Church and attended as a child but I'm not a member of a Church now. None of my children are baptised into any faith and I've left the decision up to them to make as adults. The elder two haven't bothered with it and are not interested in joining a Church, while the youngest is still too young to make her mind up. Even though they've participated in many Catholic masses and other services as children, they've decided it's not for them. This is why I don't think writing one single letter about Islam will brainwash children into joining up.
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I'm not specifically saying "Islam" or targeting any religion. I've not used the word "brainwashing" either. The exercise was not intentionly meant to coerce or manipulate, on that I agree.

The point I'm making is some kids are more malleable or psychologically vulnerable than others and whilst they're not going to run off down the temple, mosque, church, synagogue or gurwada, the idea may be inadvertently planted.

Your kids seem.well grounded and able to make up their own minds. Other kids are more vulnerable. Certain mental or psychological conditions can make just a few children just that more suggestable. There's nature versus nurture too.

That's my point.
 
Doggerland Mackem said:
The point I'm making is some kids are more malleable or psychologically vulnerable than others and whilst they're not going to run off down the temple, mosque, church, synagogue or gurwada, the idea may be inadvertently planted.
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I still think that's highly unlikely to happen because of a single letter.
 
mux said:
Not at all. I got a good education. I don't believe it was a fucked up system.

I didn't want to spend four hours a week learning about ancient Greece at school in history lessons. All about the Gods and the fables etc. It's not true is it mate? No I don't think it is. The minotaur story, something I've remembered ever since and a question I got asked when I was on a famous TV quiz show!

I suppose you want that removing from the curriculum as well then do you? In fact anything that is scientifically unverifiable you would like removing based on your rationale?

What a world we would live in if we applied your rules to everything.


Come on mate it's not brainwashing man. Did you not have to sing hymns at school just like about 99% of the population has done for the last 100 years in this country?

Kids are at school to be taught. Being taught is a form of brainwashing going by your standards. Being told to believe anything is that.

Anyway back to my original point. You literally want the convenience of sending your child to the closest school even though you have the choice of other schools further afield that will suit your requirements. You want convenience through laziness and then want to change an entire school to suit your beliefs. What about everyone else? What about their beliefs?

Crazy idea here, what if you're wrong about God? There are people out there who will be far more convinced God exists than you are convinced he doesn't. Think about that for a second. Put yourself in their shoes. Be reasonable and be tolerant of others and their beliefs and their needs.
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It is brainwashing, my son came home really confused and upset when the local priest had been in and told them all God made the world. He asked me why I had be telling him lies. He eventually calmed down but has had other kids telling him he will die of he doesn’t believe it god.

It’s nothing to do with convenience and I am tolerant. They are free to teach their kids lies and fairy tales and I don’t care. What you are saying is my argument, where is the tolerance for my son at that school?

kossoff said:
But it's upto the school to decide what is taught, not the parents. That's what he gets for sending his kid to a Christian school. Why is this so hard to understand?
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Why are you so keen to keep the status quo, I want my school and all schools to be secular. I don’t what to keep the god squad happy. I want religion to cease to exist as it is holding humanity back.

I shouldn’t ‘get’ anything for sending my son to any school.

Religion has no place in schools, it would not be tolerated anywhere else in similar circumstances.

Your argument is akin to saying we should accept anything that is wrong as long as it accepted.

A black person going to a KKK meeting, would, I expect be treated poorly, but that doesn’t make it ok.
 
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Hep said:
It is brainwashing, my son came home really confused and upset when the local priest had been in and told them all God made the world. He asked me why I had be telling him lies. He eventually calmed down but has had other kids telling him he will die of he doesn’t believe it god.
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I look forward to having potential moments like this with my kid (wife is pregnant). These are really, teachable moments and you can instill a sense of skepticism into the child so that they don't have to worry too much. It would still annoy me a bit that somebody has upset my child in that way, but you can use that experience to actually push back. If he thinks god made the world, how does he know that? I would just lead him through the process of investigation. I'm not remotely telling you how to raise your child btw! :D Just what I'd (attempt to) do.
 
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