Pros for buying SAFC vs NUFC

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Bagpuss said:
If I was a billionaire like fuck would I be buying any large football club, its the fastest way I know of becoming a former billionaire......Might buy a league 2 side for a bit of fun I guess.
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Id be buying a St Etienne in France or Ajax in Holland and restoring them to European powerhouses

Bagpuss said:
The landfill is one of the worst looking grounds around due to the fact its completely lopsided, it looks ridiculous and can never be any different.
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Many other fans in England and Europe disagree tbh
 


zebediah said:
You seemed to spend hours every day on here sniping.
I can think of a million things I would do before spending hours on a mag board telling them they're all wrong.
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Oh great :lol:

If all else fails the 'mag on a messageboard' retort. Standard.
 
Bagpuss said:
The landfill is one of the worst looking grounds around due to the fact its completely lopsided, it looks ridiculous and can never be any different.
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Am being honest here. Ours has aged very badly, both inside and out. I would go as far as saying it's lacks any character what so ever.
 
samwise said:
from a business only view...i guess the mags as things stand are by far the greater attraction simply due to crowds and league status, the down side to that is that it will be a lot harder to turn the investment into a substantial profit, something that realistically could only happen with top 6 finishes and european football almost guaranteed every season and everyone knows just how hard it is to reach that goal now.

as an investment, sunderland is by far the best bet, mainly due to a very possible doubling of the crowd, far less will need to be spent to improve the clubs standing, once in the premier for a few seasons then the asking price will rocket (the next step will obviously be similar to the mags or any other team bar the top 6) but the difference could be that the land fill can not be increased in capacity, iirc they went as far as they possibly could to make sure they had a bigger capacity than the SoL whereas the SoL has the potential to increase to a 60k capacity.

so, as already said, it really comes down to what a buyer will want...it seems many of the rich just want a football club to play with and want the prestige of it being a premier league team, losses do not overly concern them as they have more than enough money to replace any losses through interest they earn on other money...but these days there are also a lot of consortia who like to find a potential short term/huge profit investment.
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Exactly this, how do you add value to Newcastle unless you spunk hundreds of millions of ££££ on players? Given the asking price then unless they make the Champions league they will still not make any profit unless they sell all their top players season after season like Ashley did (and the reason they hated him)

If as reported Ellis is to drop his price to £50 million with the debt reduced then Sunderland from a business point of view is far more likely to make money. Of course Im not sure anybody with any sense gets into football to make money; if that is their motivation then they should be turned down as not being fit people to own a football club by the FA as they are clearly delusional.
 
Left For Dead said:
I don't keep links to everything ever said by all players, sorry. Kieren Dyer and a few others said it -
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:lol:

I, for one, am shocked that when pushed for a link there isn't one.

Even if it was true how would Kieron Dyer know what our atmosphere was like between, say, 1992 and 1997?
 
DPTT said:
Am being honest here. Ours has aged very badly, both inside and out. I would go as far as saying it's lacks any character what so ever.
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Needs a lick of paint on the outside and seats replacing on the inside, its hardly falling down (although will start to deteriorate badly if they dont do any maintenance pretty soon)

Sima said:
I, for one, am shocked that when pushed for a link there isn't one.

Even if it was true how would Kieron Dyer know what our atmosphere was like between, say, 1992 and 1997?
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Probably supported them, Barca of the North, everyones 2nd team etc etc
 
Bagpuss said:
The landfill is one of the worst looking grounds around due to the fact its completely lopsided, it looks ridiculous and can never be any different.
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In reality how long does it take to go from a regional>national>international>elite club? One title then obscurity doesn't do it. Let's take Chelsea as an example. They were no bigger than us mid 80s. They started winning trophies Hoddle era? So say 25 years now. They are classed as elite. I would say It has taken 20 years for them to get there always remaining in spotlight. That's a lot of money. They still can only really attract 45k - hence our and nufc potential - if we had their last 25 years we would be massive. However, how many elite clubs come from none major cities too? Dortmund maybe?
 
geordiedean said:
Id be buying a St Etienne in France or Ajax in Holland and restoring them to European powerhouses



Many other fans in England and Europe disagree tbh
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Really? Having been to the Wonga Dome they look and think "what an amazing ground?"....Cant see it tbh, two great stands, two others that make the overall stadium look absurd.
 
Sima said:
:lol:

I, for one, am shocked that when pushed for a link there isn't one.

Even if it was true how would Kieron Dyer know what our atmosphere was like between, say, 1992 and 1997?
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who knows - what he does know is how loud we can be and he never heard that at SJP. It is irrelevant as no buyer would use this as a reason to invest. Just thought I'd wind you up.
 
Left For Dead said:
I don't keep links to everything ever said by all players, sorry. Kieren Dyer and a few others said it -
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I highly doubt it seeing as you never beat us at Sunderland whilst Kieron Dyer played for us......Your blatantly lying

Bagpuss said:
Really? Having been to the Wonga Dome they look and think "what an amazing ground?"....Cant see it tbh, two great stands, two others that make the overall stadium look absurd.
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Read other fans reviews
 
Left For Dead said:
In reality how long does it take to go from a regional>national>international>elite club? One title then obscurity doesn't do it. Let's take Chelsea as an example. They were no bigger than us mid 80s. They started winning trophies Hoddle era? So say 25 years now. They are classed as elite. I would say It has taken 20 years for them to get there always remaining in spotlight. That's a lot of money. They still can only really attract 45k - hence our and nufc potential - if we had their last 25 years we would be massive. However, how many elite clubs come from none major cities too? Dortmund maybe?
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Agreed but that is a bit of chicken and egg I guess. Man City and Sunderland were very similar clubs in terms of size, potential fanbase, high profile neighbours etc (at least their neighbours deserved the label)

Only reason they were bought was they were in Manchester and I suspect if you are rich and looking at coming to England then realistically you are going to want to be in that there London or Manchester.

I guess its the same reason the Midlands never manages these massive investments, its even more unfashionable and shit than the North East.
 
Left For Dead said:
who knows - what he does know is how loud we can be and he never heard that at SJP. It is irrelevant as no buyer would use this as a reason to invest. Just thought I'd wind you up.
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As previously stated you never beat us at home when Kieron Dyer played for us so not sure when this is from?

Err...chomp I guess?
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
This is the elephant in the room for any sale of us. The logical thing for any buyer is to buy Drumaville from Short, which keeps the amount owed to them internal to the group (it would also allow them to capitalise that loan at no real loss to themselves). However, they would need to repay or refinance the loan from SBC by July 2019, and this effectively raises the asking price by whatever it is at the moment (it was £70m in July 2016, but I suspect that, for a variety of reasons, priority has been given to paying at least part of it down). It's a fair comment that the effective price for us would be whatever Short wants plus SBC. However, in my opinion, that total plus necessary investment to get into the PL again would still be significantly lower than the amount Ashley appears to want for you.

As far as I can see, there's more potential upside for a potential investor in buying SAFC vs NUFC, but that upside might require more time to achieve.
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Caveat being what does a potential owner want out of it? The mags would be a far better plaything imo. If you want to run a tight ship it's not as straight forward as many would think
 
Left For Dead said:
but cost a lot more - they have more fans but you cant get more in to 52K than 52k . We have a better atmosphere when things are going well - but a new buyer would not fall for that like Ellis did with Quinny.
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True, but if we are valuing the brand its more to do with potential international revenue than it is weekly attendance.

Either way, the mags are a better proposition; they generate more revenue, are a bigger brand, actually turn a profit, and are therefore valued higher. Not much more to it really.

Unfortunately we are miles behind them as things stand.
 
Leaving the actual clubs aside for a moment, you have to also consider that Sunderland as a place is an absolute monstrosity.

It is a stagnant, decaying mess. The general depression that hangs over the place will hardly be pursuasive in tempting somebody to part with millions.
 
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