Roker Ender
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One of the things they had to endure was coming home and seeing the next generation who had no personal experience of war nevertheless calling Dunkirk a fuck up. How galling must that have been.
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JohnAin
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Too true. Mind there was also a noticeable absence of American forces too. But then there would be. They were hiding in their barracks at that time. Took them ages to summon up the courage to join in.
There was another amazing series called War in the Air. Broadcast when I was a kid. I wish I could track it down.
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It's a bit of a funny one though, because even to today, we still refer to the "Dunkirk Spirit" as a positive attribute, and a trait of Britishness, digging in when the chips are down and the odds stacked against you.
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JohnAin
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Some later than others. .. like the Americans.
Read this.
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Thousands of French soldiers died in the rearguard action to buy time for the evacuation.
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This one? Link for playlist of 15 episodes in code box
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWhYC4wWGNo&list=PL31iajWKyI8473S-jKZ0Pge9lYi-ZxnqI
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Billy Rocket
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I didn't even know it was him at first. Bit of a d'oh moment when I saw the credits though. He was absolutely superb in the way his voice added gravitas to the whole thing.
Aituk7
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Something like that, I'm not sure if it was the SOS or the SOE, they were both military codenames that were used around ww2. Quite alot of it was coveres up but I definitely remenber watching a documentary once on the formation of MI5 and 6, I'm sure the route to them was through one and the othet was basically the modern day SAS
Red N White Baron
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708 black soldiers were killed in World War 2. Which is upsetting for the SMB liberal elite obviously.
DisillusionedOldGit
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Wankers .USA Today review complains there are too few women or people of color in the film
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SOE turned into MI6. I don't think there was such thing as the SOS in the British military. I could be wrong though. You might be thinking of the SIS (which is another name for MI6)
DisillusionedOldGit
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And mine .
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DurhamRifleman
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Oh absolutely MB mate but I was merely pointing out that the majority of actions conducted by the British forces in that campaign where undermined by French high command incompetence. Absolutely not commenting on the bravery of the French rank and file.
And around 100,000 brown ones died fighting for the British alone.
Aye, true. They were still fighting WW1.
Beaker
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Really looking forward to this one.
I know my Grandad was there, but it was the one part of the war he wouldn't talk about, even all those years later you could see his eyes glazing over at it's very mention. I can only imagine the horrors it took to spook a man like him. He was a giant hero of a man, to see him affected like that was incredibly humbling.
I know my Grandad was there, but it was the one part of the war he wouldn't talk about, even all those years later you could see his eyes glazing over at it's very mention. I can only imagine the horrors it took to spook a man like him. He was a giant hero of a man, to see him affected like that was incredibly humbling.
firstly - how are they cowards for not venturing over the atlantic in a war that they were'nt an official part of
secondly - have you never heard of the undeclared war, neutrality patrols, lend-lease or destroyers for bases
thirdly - as Germany did'nt declare war on the US til 11th december why would they venture over the atlantic before then??
fourthly - by very few blacks do you mean the less than 4000 in service in 1941 or the 1.2M by 1945
even your 100% segregated line is false as well
all in all, you have done really well there
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Thanks for the heads up. Watching War in the air on kodi youtube. Spot on picture.
Watched part one then typed in war in the air 2of 15 and the whole series came up.
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JohnAin
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firstly - how are they cowards for not venturing over the atlantic in a war that they were'nt an official part of
secondly - have you never heard of the undeclared war, neutrality patrols, lend-lease or destroyers for bases
thirdly - as Germany did'nt declare war on the US til 11th december why would they venture over the atlantic before then??
fourthly - by very few blacks do you mean the less than 4000 in service in 1941 or the 1.2M by 1945
even your 100% segregated line is false as well
all in all, you have done really well there
Firstly decent nations realised early on that the Nazies planned on world domination, racial brutality and those nations acted as their humanity demanded. The brutality demonstrated in Europe by the Nazies in their initial domination and invasions, together with their appalling behavior in Checoslovakia, the Sudetenland, Poland, Belgium, France and Spain, Guernica for example, made their intentions and brutality perfectly obvious to the world. The Americans did nothing, except for money.
Secondly, the "undeclared war"? You no doubt refer to the admirable but unrepresentative effort by a tiny minority of decent people. Their neutrality patrols were most largely for their own protection and their own economy. As for lease lend? First World War destroyers, corvette and even one "monitor" under a different name. We actually finished paying them back at the beginning of this century. No discounts there.
Thirdly, you make my point for me. Even the vile activities of the Nazies failed to stir their consciences. It took a German declaration of war to make them "venture over the Atlantic". So no danger of them following the example of us and our allies in going to the aid of countries in lead. Which we did without "lease lend".
Fourthly, my point was that that they really should have thought about the disgusting way they treated their own non-Non-Caucasians at that time and for decades afterwards before criticising a film maker for not popping a few darker skins into a film. Your comment about segregation is incorrect as well, at the time I described. As it happens I have very considerable respect for the coloured Americans who answered the call of a nation who enslaved and then brutalised them right up to the end of the 1960-70s because the bigger cause was just, or because they were called up.
All in all you could learn more about the decades just before and during which I was born into and lived through before making comments like those.
Oh boy. Thank you very, very much for the War in the Air link. I was born in '44 and my brother was eight tears older than me. He carved in Balsa wood really good models of about 40 or 50 British, German, American, Russian and Japanese fighters and Bombers. I grabbed them when he married and kept them for years until my lads came along when they got the survivors. They still have a few.
I cannot thank you enough.
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Monkton mackem
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Looking forward to it. Might take my dad.
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Bagpuss
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Not sure it was galling at all, I think many who were there also believed it was a fuck up.
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