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Benitez Future In Doubt Over Failure to Secure Key Signings

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Sima said:
Or you could spin it as we improved the longer and longer his tenure went on in a short space of time. I'd argue that getting a point at Anfield and drawing with Man City at home (their goal was miles offside as well) were decent results.
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They were decent results, likewise 2 points from us, Villa & Norwich were a pathetic return.
 

samaistonsrightfoot said:
Deliberate misinterpretation of the truth? I've said spending 55 million in the championship is an advantage on other sides spending a tenth of that

If you are on the up whybis it being reported Benitez is kicking off again, as he was in Jan?

Actually I've worked it out. You've said it yourself. He's got a book about him because he's forcing Ashley to spend money
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Most financially well run clubs can afford to reinvest what they bring in. Just so happens we also managed get the right players out and in as well as making a profit
 
The sad black and white wankers on this Sunderland message board man, fuck off to your own board your not wanted here.
 
PrivatePile said:
Best players?????
Sissoko
Jaanmat
Thauvin

Who other than the press would say these were our best players, Gini maybe as he was class in some games but disappeared in most.
Only a handful need shifting and sure they will be, probably not at much of a loss either.
Can you post Rafa's comments regarding the toys of the pram as I missed them, wasn't the same reporters who were on the SAFC German takeover story was it?
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The Fish has just said himself Rafa is using the media to get more money. Youve just said it's not happening.

There's a mag poster on here (might be fish again) saying yous needed to spend 55 mill in the championship because you didn't even have a side good enough for the championship after losing your best players. You say none of the player who left were the best ones

Are you saying there was no German consortium interested at all? So the club announced we were in talks with a takeover and postponed the appointment of a manager until talks were complete one way or another because we weren't in any talks with a consortium
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
You don't think spending 55 million on players is an advantage over sides spending a tenth of that?
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I think spending what you have available without risking financial future is the course of action of the majority of managers.

I think if you needed to build a squad that could challenge for the automatic spots when it was missing;

any right back
experienced CB
Depth at LB
Depth at CM
any right winger
any left winger
depth at AM
depth and experience at CF

It would cost you a lot of money, or a lot of time. Newcastle had the money and didn't need to spend the time.

Compare the squad that remained after departures this time round, to the squad Hughton had last time round.

Elliot Darlow
Mbemba Lascelles Dummett
Anita Colback Tiote
Shelvey Aarons Gouffran
Perez
Mitrovic

Harper Krul
Taylor Colo Taylor Enrique
Smith Butt Guthrie
Nolan Barton Gutierrez
Ameobi Carroll Lovenkrands
 
The Fish said:
Fair enough. 3pts. :lol:

You're not focussing on the pertinent part of my question though.
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hah I didn't note that tbh, I just got annoyed with the 'mags at work' who go on as if we sneaked it by goals scored or something

to my mind, if we had needed to beat Watford we would have (we played the reserves v them drew 2-2 and had 2 goals unfairly ruled out too) we would have, and also if Newcastle had needed to beat spurs it would have been av different game

I was pissed off with allardyce for not playing full strength even though we couldn't finish any higher, not like they had to wait long till their hols!

re your allardyce point if he had taken us down idve wanted him to stay as we had good form from the January consistently and just needed 2-3 new good starting signings for a solid team (plus retaining m'viulla aND YEDLIN)

Enter moyes
 
samsafc said:
Haha give over.
Yous are a yoyo club, what's your excuse for Benitez going to be when you are relegated again this season? Newcastle have one of the weakest squads in the league atm so it's pretty likely
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8th overall since premier league began and we are a yo yo club, we have been relegated twice since 83 shouldn't it be a

Yo








Yo club.
 
The Fish said:
We played poorly at Villa, no denying that, but the rhetoric on here is that we played negatively. That's not true.

9 shots, only three on target and one of which troubled the keeper, against a side that were already down and about 15 points adrift sounds fairly negative to me, mind.

It's not the first time Villa have raised their game against us, for reasons passing understanding. They did so when we went down in 09, they did so in that game and they did so in both fixtures in the Championship.
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I'm not sure that Villa did raise their game in any of the matches you've described. They just weren't scared of you, like far too many last season were. But again, don't let the truth cloud your judgement.
 
Dodgy said:
I'm not sure that Villa did raise their game in any of the matches you've described. They just weren't scared of you, like far too many last season were. But again, don't let the truth cloud your judgement.
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Teams were scared of us last season? :lol:
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Deliberate misinterpretation of the truth? I've said spending 55 million in the championship is an advantage on other sides spending a tenth of that

If you are on the up whybis it being reported Benitez is kicking off again, as he was in Jan?

Actually I've worked it out. You've said it yourself. He's got a book about him because he's forcing Ashley to spend money
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It's an advantage, but it's not the panacea that some Sunderland fans suggest. Villa spent more and came nowhere near promotion. A large gross spend affords the manager the freedom to get the players that he wants, rather than a player 3rd or 4th on his list. That's important when you're going for promotion immediately.

If Grayson is given all the monies recouped from the sales of Pickford, Kone, Borini etc. wouldn't you expect him to spend that to give you the best chance of returning to the top flight immediately? Would a spend of £40-50m diminish the size of the task ahead of Grayson to such an extent that you'll dismiss it as an accomplishment at all?

By the by, they're writing books about Benitez because there's a market for them and it's a story that will sell.
 
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The Fish said:
I think spending what you have available without risking financial future is the course of action of the majority of managers.

I think if you needed to build a squad that could challenge for the automatic spots when it was missing;

any right back
experienced CB
Depth at LB
Depth at CM
any right winger
any left winger
depth at AM
depth and experience at CF

It would cost you a lot of money, or a lot of time. Newcastle had the money and didn't need to spend the time.

Compare the squad that remained after departures this time round, to the squad Hughton had last time round.

Elliot Darlow
Mbemba Lascelles Dummett
Anita Colback Tiote
Shelvey Aarons Gouffran
Perez
Mitrovic

Harper Krul
Taylor Colo Taylor Enrique
Smith Butt Guthrie
Nolan Barton Gutierrez
Ameobi Carroll Lovenkrands
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Correct. If you must spend 55 million to get promoted from the championship and can afford to do it then do so.

But don't throw a hissy fit because Ashley isn't splashing the cash before the window has even officially opened

Simarly , if you only need to spend 5 million to get promoted then do that. It's all relative
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
The Fish has just said himself Rafa is using the media to get more money. Youve just said it's not happening.

There's a mag poster on here (might be fish again) saying yous needed to spend 55 mill in the championship because you didn't even have a side good enough for the championship after losing your best players. You say none of the player who left were the best ones

Are you saying there was no German consortium interested at all? So the club announced we were in talks with a takeover and postponed the appointment of a manager until talks were complete one way or another because we weren't in any talks with a consortium
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You tried to appoint a manager, he very publicly said no, if that was us I wouldn't swallow the takeover story, just saying

samsafc said:
2 relegations in 7 year man you f***ing clampet.
Not like Newcastle fans to live in the past :lol::lol:
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6 in a row? when does the past end and become the present?
 
Dodgy said:
I'm not sure that Villa did raise their game in any of the matches you've described. They just weren't scared of you, like far too many last season were. But again, don't let the truth cloud your judgement.
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Well, given I've watched more Newcastle games than you and yet can still be objective I'll stick with my assessment over yours :lol:
 
The Fish said:
It's an advantage, but it's not the panacea that some Sunderland fans suggest. Villa spent more and came nowhere near promotion. A large gross spend affords the manager the freedom to get the players that he wants, rather than a player 3rd or 4th on his list. That's important when you're going for promotion immediately.

If Grayson is given all the monies recouped from the sales of Pickford, Kone, Borini etc. wouldn't you expect him to spend that to give you the best chance of returning to the top flight immediately? Would a spend of £40-50m diminish the size of the task ahead of Grayson to such an extent that you'll dismiss it as an accomplishment at all?
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If Grayson spends 40-50 million I'd be dubious about how he would cope in the prem, yes. If we used all our incoming money on players and didn't pay off any of our debt then we won't have learned anything and I'd be worried about the future of the club
 
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