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Benitez Future In Doubt Over Failure to Secure Key Signings

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Wish there was a separate mag sub forum, sick of reading about them non stop on the front pages, who cares about them man :neutral:
 
Sima said:
If Grayson had £50m available to spend would you be so vehemently against him doing it? After all, he is 'shopping in lidl' too?



If my auntie had a cock would she be my uncle?
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if he had £50 and was getting the shopping in, then i'd expect grayson not to purchase a £30 parma ham
 
Banks said:
So hes incapable of building a side unless hes signed every player is what you are saying?

Benitez is guilty of short term thinking. You had the best squad without 50m being spent and he signed players not uo to the job in the big boys league.

He should have signed hot prospects who had the potential to improve. He didnt instead he blew massive money on poor premier league players and now is moaning because Ashley wants him to offload before finding more buys. Thats gross mismanagement and why he always leaves clubs in a state when he leaves.
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No, that's not what I'm saying. Nice try though.

Why do you wilfully misrepresent facts? Benitez had a squad with players who didn't want to play in the Championship (Sissoko, Wijnaldum) and so left. He needed to replace those players. He also inherited a squad with players who weren't fit for purpose (Riviere, Saivet et al) he needed to replace those players.

Once those players left, we didn't have "the best squad" at all. Not even close. We didn't have a single recognised right back at the club, nor a right winger, a left winger, we had little depth up front, on the wings, at full back, at centre back. So he spent £55m on 11 players to address those shortcomings and deliver not only automatic promotion at the first time of asking, but the title to boot.

He signed the players to deliver automatic promotion, the players he signed delivered that. It was too much of a gamble to sign a squad of young lads with potential. Some of the players he signed are capable in the top flight, some were just for that campaign. It would be gross mismanagement to gamble the future of a football club on the shoulders of "young lads with potential", this isn't Football Manager.

Benitez wants to spend money on good players for this league, what a unique and outrageous position he's taken. :lol:

Just be honest with yourself Banks, Benitez is patently a good manager but you can't admit that because he's the Newcastle manager. Just purely because of his association to the club that is your club's local rival you must heap scorn upon him, for fear or... well I guess for fear of appearing less of a Sunderland supporter to your peers on here. Which is a bit silly when you step back and think about it?

janey said:
The question that remains for me is this.
They are of the opinion that Rafa would have kept them up if he'd a little more time. Maybe he would who knows.
But if, for example, Nigel Pearson or any other manager like him had matched the results, result for result, would they have said the same and would there have been the clamour to keep them. I'm not so sure
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No, Pearson isn't as good a manager as Rafa Benitez. Of course we wouldn't want Nige over Rafa.

Had Allardyce failed to find the 2 points that kept you up, would you want to swap him for Di Canio?
 
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The Fish said:
No, that's not what I'm saying. Nice try though.

Why do you wilfully misrepresent facts? Benitez had a squad with players who didn't want to play in the Championship (Sissoko, Wijnaldum) and so left. He needed to replace those players. He also inherited a squad with players who weren't fit for purpose (Riviere, Saivet et al) he needed to replace those players.

Once those players left, we didn't have "the best squad" at all. Not even close. We didn't have a single recognised right back at the club, nor a right winger, a left winger, we had little depth up front, on the wings, at full back, at centre back. So he spent £55m on 11 players to address those shortcomings and deliver not only automatic promotion at the first time of asking, but the title to boot.

He signed the players to deliver automatic promotion, the players he signed delivered that. It was too much of a gamble to sign a squad of young lads with potential. Some of the players he signed are capable in the top flight, some were just for that campaign. It would be gross mismanagement to gamble the future of a football club on the shoulders of "young lads with potential", this isn't Football Manager.

Benitez wants to spend money on good players for this league, what a unique and outrageous position he's taken. :lol:

Just be honest with yourself Banks, Benitez is patently a good manager but you can't admit that because he's the Newcastle manager. Just purely because of his association to the club that is your club's local rival you must heap scorn upon him, for fear or... well I guess for fear of appearing less of a Sunderland supporter to your peers on here. Which is a bit silly when you step back and think about it?



No, Pearson isn't as good a manager as Rafa Benitez. Of course we wouldn't want Nige over Rafa.

Had Allardyce failed to find the 2 points that kept you up, would you want to swap him for Di Canio?
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So if Nigel Pearson, had got exactly the same points and exactly the same results, including the 5-1 against Spurs and you had been relegated you'd have thought he'd failed.
 
janey said:
So if Nigel Pearson, had got exactly the same points and exactly the same results, including the 5-1 against Spurs and you had been relegated you'd have thought he'd failed.
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eh?

If Nigel Pearson replicated the results and was in charge he would have failed to keep us up. That's obvious.

Oh, hang on, I see. You're trying to subtly manoeuvre me into a position where I have to concede Benitez failed to keep us up. I'll save you the bother, I've never disputed that, it's self-evident.
 
The Fish said:
eh?

If Nigel Pearson replicated the results and was in charge he would have failed to keep us up. That's obvious.

Oh, hang on, I see. You're trying to subtly manoeuvre me into a position where I have to concede Benitez failed to keep us up. I'll save you the bother, I've never disputed that, it's self-evident.
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So now you've conceded that ;) if Pearson had done the same, (and he's just an example I'm using could have been one of several) exactly the same would there have been the clamour to keep him. I'm not being arsey btw just trying to understand
 
janey said:
So if Nigel Pearson, had got exactly the same points and exactly the same results, including the 5-1 against Spurs and you had been relegated you'd have thought he'd failed.
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Why are you asking this again, man? Why is it always Nigel Pearson? The bloke is a complete cockend and if it was a straight choice between him and Rafa Benitez (which you are implying it is) I'd choose Benitez everytime. I'd wager most would as well.

Let me say this clear so it gets through your bitter, twisted, harridan mind:
  • Rafa Benitez was in charge when we were relegated. That much is not in doubt. If you are judging him solely on the remit of keeping us up, he failed at that task.
  • Again, if you are solely judging Rafa Benitez on the 10 games he was in charge at the back end of last season, yes he is a failure.
You've already shown last night you are massively prejudiced against Newcastle fans anyway by not even bothering to wait for my reply before you decided your opinion of it so god knows why you are still asking these questions in the first place.

'I'm not being arsey' :lol:

You're one of the most bitter people about Newcastle United on here, man.
 
Sima said:
Why are you asking this again, man? Why is it always Nigel Pearson? The bloke is a complete cockend and if it was a straight choice between him and Rafa Benitez (which you are implying it is) I'd choose Benitez everytime. I'd wager most would as well.

Let me say this clear so it gets through your bitter, twisted, harridan mind:
  • Rafa Benitez was in charge when we were relegated. That much is not in doubt. If you are judging him solely on the remit of keeping us up, he failed at that task.
  • Again, if you are solely judging Rafa Benitez on the 10 games he was in charge at the back end of last season, yes he is a failure.
You've already shown last night you are massively prejudiced against Newcastle fans anyway by not even bothering to wait for my reply before you decided your opinion of it so god knows why you are still asking these questions in the first place.

'I'm not being arsey' :lol:

You're one of the most bitter people about Newcastle United on here, man.
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To be fair I was having a decent conversation with him and did yesterday about other issues. So if you don't mind
 
janey said:
To be fair I was having a decent conversation with him and did yesterday about other issues. So if you don't mind
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Don't mind what? You asked me the same question last night and had already made your mind up before I'd formulated a response.

You also said that you know that 'mags don't understand reasonable questions' here https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threa...re-key-signings.1373945/page-59#post-25773250

Why are you wasting your time asking them if you've already decided we 'don't understand them'? Unless they aren't reasonable questions?
 
The Fish said:
No, that's not what I'm saying. Nice try though.

Why do you wilfully misrepresent facts? Benitez had a squad with players who didn't want to play in the Championship (Sissoko, Wijnaldum) and so left. He needed to replace those players. He also inherited a squad with players who weren't fit for purpose (Riviere, Saivet et al) he needed to replace those players.

Once those players left, we didn't have "the best squad" at all. Not even close. We didn't have a single recognised right back at the club, nor a right winger, a left winger, we had little depth up front, on the wings, at full back, at centre back. So he spent £55m on 11 players to address those shortcomings and deliver not only automatic promotion at the first time of asking, but the title to boot.

He signed the players to deliver automatic promotion, the players he signed delivered that. It was too much of a gamble to sign a squad of young lads with potential. Some of the players he signed are capable in the top flight, some were just for that campaign. It would be gross mismanagement to gamble the future of a football club on the shoulders of "young lads with potential", this isn't Football Manager.

Benitez wants to spend money on good players for this league, what a unique and outrageous position he's taken. :lol:

Just be honest with yourself Banks, Benitez is patently a good manager but you can't admit that because he's the Newcastle manager. Just purely because of his association to the club that is your club's local rival you must heap scorn upon him, for fear or... well I guess for fear of appearing less of a Sunderland supporter to your peers on here. Which is a bit silly when you step back and think about it?



No, Pearson isn't as good a manager as Rafa Benitez. Of course we wouldn't want Nige over Rafa.

Had Allardyce failed to find the 2 points that kept you up, would you want to swap him for Di Canio?
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would have taken 3 points to overhaul us,
 
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