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How the liberal left killed the Labour Party

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FC United of Manchester said:
Stop keep dodging the issue with meaningless generalisations man. I'll ask you once again which of current labour policies are too left for the country and what should they be instead.
You keep telling us the party is too 'left' so back it up with some facts about which policies are too left.
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As an example then:

'We'll withdraw from NATO'
 

Newcastle Fan said:
'Drivel'

:lol:

Actually some of Labour's most popular policies in 2015 were their most left wing policies.

But you can't implement some key left wing policies without a generally moderate platform, the electorate just won't let you.
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It's like listening to Tweedledum on f***ing loop . " I know what your thinking about but it isn't so no how " :lol:
 
heroesof73 said:
If the next election is Jezza v Bozza it will kill most peoples interest in voting :lol:
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Won't be boris, more chance of it being theresa may as a compromise between the differing camps in the Tories. It's not a coincidence she hasn't got not the mud slinging like Gideon and Cameron have, she's got her eye on the big prize
 
FC United of Manchester said:
Stop keep dodging the issue with meaningless generalisations man. I'll ask you once again which of current labour policies are too left for the country and what should they be instead.
You keep telling us the party is too 'left' so back it up with some facts about which policies are too left.
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Actually I keep saying that Corbyn is unelectable (for a variety of reasons I've outlined on a number of occasions), and that the labour party has turned into a vehicle of self interest, in which they no longer feel the need to attract swing voters in order to win elections, because they are 'Tory bastards'.

My thoughts are pretty much identical to the article I posted, which puts them more eloquently than I could.

I don't have a problem with a left leaning Labour Party - I'm left wing. I just think that the liberal left needs to stop being so dismissive of views from immigration to welfare fraud and everything in between, and stop thinking MEDIA BIAS is an appropriate response to the lot.

The leader of the party, Corbyn, is too left wing though (for me personally), there's no doubt about that. Although current fiscal policy of the party is to the right of Blairs, which is most confusing.
 
Any party with Diane Abbott in a prominent position of power is no party of mine.

We need a Tony Blair like figure (will have to come in the guise of someone like David Milliband) for the masses I'd guess but it will do.
 
Oh goody, let's leave out the four decades where the far left pissed their opportunities up the wall, let Thatcher in, and fought solid Labour leaders who were trying to get us back off the fringes but retain solid left/centre left policies until there was nothing left but Blair. They had no part in any problems at all
 
I honestly don't get why people are so keen for labour to move to the right.

At the moment we have a relatively moderate centre right Tory government. There economic policies and austerity programme are virtually identical to what ed balls was proposing labour do if they had won.

If this is the type of government you want then vote for the current one, you can happily ignore labour.

What is the point of labour copying them for the sole purpose of being in power, without doing anything different.

At least at the moment they speak for a sizeable minority of the British electorate.
 
ID101 said:
I honestly don't get why people are so keen for labour to move to the right.

At the moment we have a relatively moderate centre right Tory government. There economic policies and austerity programme are virtually identical to what ed balls was proposing labour do if they had won.

If this is the type of government you want then vote for the current one, you can happily ignore labour.

What is the point of labour copying them for the sole purpose of being in power, without doing anything different.

At least at the moment they speak for a sizeable minority of the British electorate.
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Isn't this what the article was talking about though? The fact that it's the people who aren't affected by the fact a Tory government is in power who 'don't see a difference between a moderate labour and Tory party'?
 
ID101 said:
I honestly don't get why people are so keen for labour to move to the right.

At the moment we have a relatively moderate centre right Tory government. There economic policies and austerity programme are virtually identical to what ed balls was proposing labour do if they had won.

If this is the type of government you want then vote for the current one, you can happily ignore labour.

What is the point of labour copying them for the sole purpose of being in power, without doing anything different.

At least at the moment they speak for a sizeable minority of the British electorate.
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A centre-left government would be ideal in my world. The current one isn't.
 
ID101 said:
I honestly don't get why people are so keen for labour to move to the right.

At the moment we have a relatively moderate centre right Tory government. There economic policies and austerity programme are virtually identical to what ed balls was proposing labour do if they had won.

If this is the type of government you want then vote for the current one, you can happily ignore labour.

What is the point of labour copying them for the sole purpose of being in power, without doing anything different.

At least at the moment they speak for a sizeable minority of the British electorate.
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People want a party pretty much in the middle, the same as they did last year and will want in 2020. Just because the Tories have been absolutely dire doesn't mean that people won't vote the same way in what they hope will be a centrist party with competence.

The simple truth is Blair appealed to that ground and looked competent, so he got 3 terms. Cameron alo not looking pie articulately competent for last years election, obviously still had the beating of ed milliband.

Nothing stopping the Labour Party occupying that ground again and introducing a few left wing tweaks, but if they don't look competent they haven't a hope. Add to this if remain win, there will be a eurosceptic party of some kind on the voting cards and this could cause trouble for both labour and Tories, particularly labour as they have pretty much set their sail for closer eu integration, whereas the Tories can still be looked at as a party with a decent % of euro scepticism
 
Boz33 said:
People want a party pretty much in the middle, the same as they did last year and will want in 2020. Just because the Tories have been absolutely dire doesn't mean that people won't vote the same way in what they hope will be a centrist party with competence.

The simple truth is Blair appealed to that ground and looked competent, so he got 3 terms. Cameron alo not looking pie articulately competent for last years election, obviously still had the beating of ed milliband.

Nothing stopping the Labour Party occupying that ground again and introducing a few left wing tweaks, but if they don't look competent they haven't a hope. Add to this if remain win, there will be a eurosceptic party of some kind on the voting cards and this could cause trouble for both labour and Tories, particularly labour as they have pretty much set their sail for closer eu integration, whereas the Tories can still be looked at as a party with a decent % of euro scepticism
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
They have missed a massive opportunity by not standing up for the people they're supposed to represent and campaigning to leave the EU. Having put their own self interests first and Corbyn going against his principles they can go and get fucked as far as I'm concerned.
 
Flash Gordon said:
And you think that's what the governments of the last 30 years have done?
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Not particularly, but that's the dream in every election. No govt is perfect, what everyone chooses, is to back the one they think will be the best of a bad bunch. Unfortunately labour have looked even worse than that sour bunch of grapes the Tories, and still do looking at the opinion polls after more Tory cock ups than in living memory
It's not rocket science, there's two parties that have a chance at winning elections, and labour was seen as the worst team last time out
 
Boz33 said:
Not particularly, but that's the dream in every election. No govt is perfect, what everyone chooses, is to back the one they think will be the best of a bad bunch. Unfortunately labour have looked even worse than that sour bunch of grapes the Tories, and still do looking at the opinion polls after more Tory cock ups than in living memory
It's not rocket science, there's two parties that have a chance at winning elections, and labour was seen as the worst team last time out
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So if these parties who keep getting elected occupy the central ground and don't particularly serve the people, why the fuck would you want Labour to become that again? It's lunacy. Embrace a change and try and do something different because the current establishment are nothing but self serving cunts.
 
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