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How the liberal left killed the Labour Party

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My issue for those arguing labour should return to its Blair days is that the current government are virtually identical to that.

Can anyone explain to me which of their policies a new labour government would oppose given the same economic conditions.
 

RTRsBM said:
Continuing down the same path certainly won't do it. The anti corbynites simply fail to acknowledge that Blairs Labour Party lost 2 elections in a row.
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From the outside looking in it looks very much to me that Corbyn has thrown his compass out and is walking into the distance
 
Newcastle Fan said:
Paul Mason has managed to do that more successfully than the Labour Left in its entirety. I'd recommend reading his 'Postcapitalism', a genuinely excellent read.

The labour left is fixated with 1970 socialist policy like nationalising the railways, yes I'm aware it has support with the majority of voters, yes I support it in principal, but is that really the sort of inspirational policy that people give a fuck about? I respectfully don't think so.
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Yes I was reading a section of masons book in the Guardian the other day . Interesting stuff indeed . Would love to read the whole thing but unlikely to have the time realistically , need to read other stuff that pays the baker. Seems I might even know him from way back we used to run around the same clubs as kids .
It's the kind of stuff we need to be thinking about and hopefully the kind of stuff that will be brought into thinking along the way , early days .

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About the only thing I could find on the labour economic conference
 
RTRsBM said:
Blair was haemorrhaging votes at every election and knew it. That's why he got out when he did, so he could say he never lost an election. The failure to address this loss of votes is what's led to 10 years in the wilderness.
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I don't think the results bear that out.

Blair had around a 9% boost when he ousted the Cons, to about 43% of the vote.

This then settled to about 35% at the next 2 elections, enough for a majorty/win..

Around 35% of the vote seems to be the winning figure for the Cons these days too.

Ed and Gordon have managed to reduce the share to around 30%, I'd 'guess' Jezza will need to quite a lot to turn that around?
 
monkeytassle said:
From the outside looking in it looks very much to me that Corbyn has thrown his compass out and is walking into the distance
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Unlike before where they had a compass pointing in the wrong direction but kept following it.

I'd actually like to see Kevin Maguire as leader but bearing in mind he's not an MP its never going to happen. The Mirror made him an associate editor to keep him as Labour are desperate to get him as an MP, especially when South Shields was up for by-election. He hates the tories, comes across well on TV and actually isn't as left wing as Corbyn but is anti austerity and gives good reasons why.

sedling said:
I don't think the results bear that out.
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The number of votes the party got clearly shows it.
 
Macho said:
I think the man is an absolute wet blanket and i dislike his stand on immigration and human rights.

We've had some complete buffoons in the labour party down the years, but i think he tops the lot of them with his hippy style leadership.
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I can understand people disliking his stand on immigration (especially economic migrants), but human rights?
 
RTRsBM said:
I can understand people disliking his stand on immigration (especially economic migrants), but human rights?
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There is human rights and then there is humans taking the piss and playing the system. Deporting a terrorist is a f***ing nightmare thanks to these "human rights".
 
Macho said:
There is human rights and then there is humans taking the piss and playing the system. Deporting a terrorist is a f***ing nightmare thanks to these "human rights".
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Exactly, but that's not really human rights. Is Corbyn against deporting terrorists? Again a genuine question as I don't know and if he is I'd be very disappointed.
 
molthemackem said:
A decent read but the Labour party is finished. They have nothing to offer the normal working man or woman.
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I disagree. A moderate centre left Labour Party which addresses the faults of New Labour such as unsustainable immigration levels/erosion of civil liberties/welfare fraud and builds on its strengths would be infinitely preferable to a Conservative party which appears to care very little for the most vulnerable people in society.

It would piss elections for decades and leave the tories in the wilderness.

No chance of that happening soon sadly.
 
Newcastle Fan said:
I disagree. A moderate centre left Labour Party which addresses the faults of New Labour such as unsustainable immigration levels/erosion of civil liberties/welfare fraud and builds on its strengths would be infinitely preferable to a Conservative party which appears to care very little for the most vulnerable people in society.

It would piss elections for decades and leave the tories in the wilderness.

No chance of that happening soon sadly.
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As I said the labour party that i supported will never again hold power. There was a guy on the TV yesterday speaking to a labour party MP who had knocked on his door. He told the MP exactly what the majority of former Labour supporters think, you dont look after the British common man or woman anymore
 
RTRsBM said:
Exactly, but that's not really human rights. Is Corbyn against deporting terrorists? Again a genuine question as I don't know and if he is I'd be very disappointed.
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Given his past form on hamas and the ira then it wouldn't take a leap of faith to question if he would
 
Newcastle Fan said:
I disagree. A moderate centre left Labour Party which addresses the faults of New Labour such as unsustainable immigration levels/erosion of civil liberties/welfare fraud and builds on its strengths would be infinitely preferable to a Conservative party which appears to care very little for the most vulnerable people in society.

It would piss elections for decades and leave the tories in the wilderness.

No chance of that happening soon sadly.
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This is exactly what the Labour party is at the moment under Corbyn. He may not be the best leader possible, but those are the principles he's put back in place after the pro-austerity neo liberal Blairites made them indistinguishable from the Tories.
 
The reason Milliband lost is because he and Labour weren't trusted on the economy, not because of any position on austerity. The two are different.
 
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