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Lankester Merrin said:
The problem is that there isn't a clear shared view of what happens when you defeat ISIS/DAESH. Unless a stable state is put in power in Iraq and Syria then they will be back under a different name in a few years war or no war
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Yes there absolutely has to be a political end game, probably with a UN force to hold it together.

Wierd Valley Mackem said:
I wonder if this negates the need for Parliamentary approval might get Corbyn out of a hole?
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I would still want Cameron to take to a vote in the House of Commons, but I think with the UN in favour, that vote suddenly got a lot easier to win. I don't know about Corbyn.
 


Mercia Blackcat said:
Well he's certainly not defending religion.

This is a direct quote from his post, not my interpretation:

Its no different to saying jimmy saville kept millions content, saved countless lives, helped countless people, but a small number had issues.
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You're not helping the lad much, if thats your intention.
 
ReidysLeftLug said:
Which is even more reason for this to be done through the UN as opposed to individual states putting up their flag, can anyone say "one world government".
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As bad if not worse than EU Government :lol:

janiep said:
Yes there absolutely has to be a political end game, probably with a UN force to hold it together.


I would still want Cameron to take to a vote in the House of Commons, but I think with the UN in favour, that vote suddenly got a lot easier to win. I don't know about Corbyn.
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I think Cameron will do it anyway just to score points if nothing else.
 
janiep said:
Yes there absolutely has to be a political end game, probably with a UN force to hold it together
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But the USA is committed to regime change and that Assad must be removed. What if the majority of Syrians want Assad and would vote for him? Is the UN going to tell them who they can vote for?
 
Mercia Blackcat said:
But the USA is committed to regime change and that Assad must be removed. What if the majority of Syrians want Assad and would vote for him? Is the UN going to tell them who they can vote for?
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They (and we) are going to have to revise that.
 
Mercia Blackcat said:
The problem is the Abrahamic religions have remained too dogmatic in their theistic dualistic concepts of an external God and an internal Soul that are separate. This is unusual as Jesus is alleged to have said that the Kingdom of Heaven is within and that the Father is in Heaven. Therefore the Father is within. This is more of a non-dualistic perspective. Jainism and Buddhism are both non-dualistic while Brahmanism was dualistic until Adi Shankara around 800 CE interpreted the Upanishads (Vedanta) as non-dualistic (Advaita), stating that Brahman (Universal Consciousness) and Atman (Individual Consciousness) were not separate entities. This has effectively been the dominant philosophy of Hinduism ever since, Advaita Vedanta. The West never indulged in this flowing of ideas between the various schools. In fact Judaism, Christianity and Islam remained at odds with each other.



The true meaning of prayer is a form of meditation. Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane left the disciples several times to "pray". As he had previously advised against repetition it would be unlikely he engaged in repeating himself and it is difficult to understand how Mark could have known what he said in prayer as Jesus was alone and when he had finished was immediately arrested. I doubt if Jesus had either the time or inclination to tell anyone the content of his "prayer".



The man of suffering is classed as one of seven types of wise men in some Eastern traditions because he has seen through the nature of the temporary world and cannot find happiness in its transient nature. We live a temporary existence in a temporary world, yet so many of us act as if it was all permanent. We don't like to think otherwise so we push it to one side in our mind. The cause of suffering is our mind. When we neutralise and silence the mind, the heart opens. Love is supreme and the supreme is love. Love is bliss. This is our core experience. The cognitive experience of this love within enables us to recognise that love in others, even if they can't see it themselves. We carry an ocean of love around wherever we go but we so often cover it over with mind. What is hidden shall be revealed.



One of the titles of Krishna is Lord of Love. Another is Lord of Yoga, which means union. Jesus was the living Lord of Love at that time. He was the Zadik (Supreme Teacher of Righteousness). In Jainism that title is Tirthankara, Mahavira was their last one, Shakyamuni the Buddha was his younger contemporary. The medieval Sant Mat tradition of India which practised Raja Yoga and the Sikh religion that was a derivative, both used the title Satguru. They were all fully enlightened beings. They were all Masters of Perfection. They were all the living Lord of Love for their time. There have been hundreds of them throughout out history since ancient times but only some of them had a religion formed after them. Usually by people that had never met them.



In the East it is known as Sanatana Dharma which means The Eternal Way and is the correct name for the Religions of the Indian People rather than Hinduism which is simply a generic term. It includes the philosophies of Jainism, Buddhism, Raja Yoga and Advaita Vedanta (Hindu). All of the mainstream religions have come from those that practised this Eternal Way including Jesus. Compare the teachings of Jesus that focus on experience (Baptism with Spirit), single-mindedness, everyday mindfulness and dedication. He clearly identifies the source of distraction as the mind. That is where temptation arises that will lead away from the path.



Perhaps it has never been lost. It simply sleeps within us obscured by the clouds of our thoughts, concepts and ego.

You're own beliefs are probably different to mine but I share your understanding of the Perennial Tradition or the Eternal Way as the source of all religion. It's just a pity that by the time they had formed, the living master had moved on as if carrying a lamp from one generation to another.
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Thank you for that. Excellent post. I am currently reading Eckart Tolle's the 'Power Of Now'. He says in the opening few
pages that it is indeed the identification with the mind and our thoughts, that destroys the inner peace/being that every person already has.
He says that it is the mind that causes the illusion of seperateness with all that is.

Eckart Tolle has his own remarkable story and teaches this Perennial Philosophy, pointing to many wisdom teachers throughout the ages.
He is 67 years old and actually looks like he's in his early fifties at most. He is a true example of an 'enlightened/awakened' human being
and it shows.......It's very, very good and recommend it if you haven't read it.
I actually read these words this morning...it comes from pages 12 and 13 from the 'Power of Now' and reminds me of what you
wrote above, which I have highlighted in bold print.

'Identification with your mind creates an opague screen of concepts, labels, images, words, judgments, and definitions
that blocks all true relationship. It comes between you and yourself, between you and your fellow man and woman,
between you and nature, between you and God. It is this screen of thought that creates the illusion of separateness,
the illusion that there is you and a totally separate 'other.'
You then forget the essential fact that, underneath the level of physical appearences and separate forms,
you are one with all that is.' (Page 12)

Note: 'The mind is a superb instrument if used rightly. Used wrongly, however, it becomes very destructive.
To put it more accurately, it is not so much that you use your mind wrongly - you usually don't use it at all. It uses you.
This is the disease. You believe that you are your mind. This is the delusion. The instrument has taken you over.' (Page 13)
 
Wierd Valley Mackem said:
Not a chance ;) Your dream of an EU country is over mate as for your World Government maybe if Aliens invade :lol:
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What do you know of my dreams? :lol:

As for the EU being over, well, do I really need to answer that?

I'm not sure why you associated a world government with aliens, perhaps a lack of breadth and depth? Not trying to insult you, genuinely curious as to why you tied a world government to aliens? Do you understand the concept of a world government?
 
ReidysLeftLug said:
What do you know of my dreams? :lol:

As for the EU being over, well, do I really need to answer that?

I'm not sure why you associated a world government with aliens, perhaps a lack of breadth and depth? Not trying to insult you, genuinely curious as to why you tied a world government to aliens? Do you understand the concept of a world government?
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Im out you are mental :lol:
 
ReidysLeftLug said:
A lack of breadth and depth, as I thought... I knew you didn't have that good an understanding of politics however, the fact you think i'm mental also highlights that you clearly lack an understanding of international relations too.
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Oh sorry i forgot arrogant too. Anyway mate you bore me to death so ill bow out (if you want the last word knock yourself out itl make you feel superior i know you love that kind of thing ;))
 
ReidysLeftLug said:
Some extremists warning the Bataclan management that they will face repercussions if they didn't stop allowing some pro-Israeli lobby hold fundraisers there, video is supposed to be dated from 2008 however it was only recently uploaded.
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Ok, that's what I meant. It's 2008

Nice to have fair warning but that's taking the piss
 
janiep said:
Yes there absolutely has to be a political end game, probably with a UN force to hold it together.


I would still want Cameron to take to a vote in the House of Commons, but I think with the UN in favour, that vote suddenly got a lot easier to win. I don't know about Corbyn.
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I think that with UN support the house will vote in favour Corbyn or not

ReidysLeftLug said:
Isn't the plan to hold 'elections' 18 month from now and for there to be a transfer of power? I'd say its best left in control of the UN, a putsch will see the fundamentalists gain control.
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If the UN are prepared to put a force in and hold elections great. My concern is that Russia want to keep Assad in power, and the UK/US want him gone. As soon as different world powers start backing different sides you create the conditions for ISIS to rise again.
 
Lankester Merrin said:
I think that with UN support the house will vote in favour Corbyn or not

If the UN are prepared to put a force in and hold elections great. My concern is that Russia want to keep Assad in power, and the UK/US want him gone. As soon as different world powers start backing different sides you create the conditions for ISIS to rise again.
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The Americans long term strategy has been to initiate regime change in Iraq, Syria and Iran. Just last week they were in talks with the Russians and Iranians whose proposal was for Assad to remain in power until a new constitution and elections could be arranged. The Americans again reiterated their desire that Assad should not be part of that process, if even for a period of 18 months. Why do they not trust the Syrian people to depose him in a democratic election. I see this being a major stumbling block in any peace process.

The Americans are claiming that Putin said Russia was entering the fight to attack ISIS, yet Putin never said that and they cannot produce a single quote where he did. What he did say was that Russia would be attacking terrorists. Then he is accused of breaking his word by attacking Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra instead. Do the Americans no longer consider Al Qaeda to be a terrorist organisation? It's a dangerous game to be playing with another superpower.

Do the Americans now consider Al Qaeda to be an ally in their desire to effect regime change in Syria?
 
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