Midnight Toker
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Ferken hell, what an absolute kernt. That is appalling.
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Icarebecauseyoudo
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That was about Phil Neal not giving an interview, before threads were merged
Aye, the ones next to the barrier actually seem the lucky ones. Looking at the footage all the fatalities are still on the terraces. Amazing how easily a crush can lead to deaths
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not spavin
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14 served around a year each in prison. They were convicted of involuntary manslaughter - not murder. While the consequences were of the most serious nature, their actions were not proportionate to that outcome.
just read that phil neal bit.......I am actually lost for words at his responses to the interviewer, maybe that is the best thing to say about him, just let others judge him on HIS words in there
JumpingAnaconda
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I started a thread a while ago about why I hate Liverpool fans above all others, and completely ignoring Heysel while bleating about Hillsborough was the primary reason. I then got several pages of slating for it. Juventus have sections of fans that are hardly angels, but that doesn't make it any better for the scum bags that caused the Heysel disaster.
For me Liverpool is an example of everything that is wrong about football. If you overlook the unforgivable and despicable deaths triggered by their fans disgusting behaviour at Heysel, something that makes the concerns of football irrelevant, they set English football back at least 10 years by getting us all banned from Europe. At that point we should have shut them down, thrown them out of the league and made an example of them. Instead we have had 30 years about hearing how wonderful they are, what great heritage they have, and how they are overdue a Premiership title.
For all the reports, allegations of police manipulation of evidence, and talk of justice for those killed at Hillsborough, it does not change the basic fact that those fans got crushed because above all, too many Liverpool fans wanted to get into that stadium all at once. Just a few years after being the instigators in a fatal crush, those fans did not stop to think "hang on, we don't like the look of this", they just carried on. The way the fans are almost to a man not prepared to accept any responsibility whatsoever sickens me.
I used to go to Watford in the 80's when they were one of the top teams in the country. It is hard to find a ground with worse access. I went to big matches where the game was due to start and much of the crowd were still trying to get through the turnstiles that were accessed through a set of about 20 tiny little doors. There was massive potential for a crush in and around those doors. I never saw a crush to get through those doors because the fans had basic respect for each other. There was never any shoving or jostling, and most importantly there were not people trying to rush the turnstiles while other people were showing their tickets or paying to get in. That is one of the things that annoys me so much about Hillsborough. If a few people would stick their hand up and say "I was pushing, I wanted to get in at all costs" rather than just pointing their fingers at police, it would not be so bad, but it seems like over time a large chunk of the Liverpool fanbase have somehow come to regard the event as a police sanctioned deliberate extermination of their fans, rather than a series of events in which the fans were at least the first cog.
For me Liverpool is an example of everything that is wrong about football. If you overlook the unforgivable and despicable deaths triggered by their fans disgusting behaviour at Heysel, something that makes the concerns of football irrelevant, they set English football back at least 10 years by getting us all banned from Europe. At that point we should have shut them down, thrown them out of the league and made an example of them. Instead we have had 30 years about hearing how wonderful they are, what great heritage they have, and how they are overdue a Premiership title.
For all the reports, allegations of police manipulation of evidence, and talk of justice for those killed at Hillsborough, it does not change the basic fact that those fans got crushed because above all, too many Liverpool fans wanted to get into that stadium all at once. Just a few years after being the instigators in a fatal crush, those fans did not stop to think "hang on, we don't like the look of this", they just carried on. The way the fans are almost to a man not prepared to accept any responsibility whatsoever sickens me.
I used to go to Watford in the 80's when they were one of the top teams in the country. It is hard to find a ground with worse access. I went to big matches where the game was due to start and much of the crowd were still trying to get through the turnstiles that were accessed through a set of about 20 tiny little doors. There was massive potential for a crush in and around those doors. I never saw a crush to get through those doors because the fans had basic respect for each other. There was never any shoving or jostling, and most importantly there were not people trying to rush the turnstiles while other people were showing their tickets or paying to get in. That is one of the things that annoys me so much about Hillsborough. If a few people would stick their hand up and say "I was pushing, I wanted to get in at all costs" rather than just pointing their fingers at police, it would not be so bad, but it seems like over time a large chunk of the Liverpool fanbase have somehow come to regard the event as a police sanctioned deliberate extermination of their fans, rather than a series of events in which the fans were at least the first cog.
Zak's Dad
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From The Guardian article.
Bill Sergeant
Then: Detective Chief Inspector, Merseyside police, 46
Now: Retired
"To my knowledge, not a single person ever served his sentence."
This from a bloke who was there and involved in the investigation back in the UK.
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In the aftermath of Heysel, 25 Liverpool fans were subsequently extradited from the United Kingdom and, after a five-month trial, 14 were found guilty of voluntary manslaughter in April 1989 -- the same month of the Hillsborough disaster -- with each of them serving a year in jail
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Zak's Dad
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It appears that the man who led the investigation into the hooligans and extradited them to Belgium has a different recollection to a CNN article written yesterday. Not being funny but I'm going to go with the investigating officer on this.
Having do a quick Google although they seem to agree on numbers and sentencing, I can't find any definite statements about people actually serving their sentences.
Billy Batts
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Can only talk through experience but Liverpool fans are the biggest bunch of wankers I've personally come across. Right nasty bastards.
ANonnyMoose
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I wouldn't trust CNN to tell me what day it is, a complete joke of a "news" company.
yes, i know there were issues with travel and congestion particularly at the liverpool end but it doesn't excuse what happened. like the previous quote alludes to no one from top to bottom (fans, police, organisers) had learned any lessons from heysel, football was still a herd them in mentality. it was only after heysel and bradford that things changed.
GK
Striker
Its like the last 30 years didn't happen
There was a massive police cover up at hillsboro. That's the justice referred to, no police officials were held to account and they instead smeared the supporters.
If the police hadn't done this then there would be no calls for justice. It would be just another footballing tragedy.
Surely you knew this?
After being found guilty they were released and allowed to return to the UK while awaiting the outcome of their appeal. It's suggested that none of them returned to serve out the rest of their sentence.
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Manchester Mackem
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I read an interview with the photographer in WSC yesterday. He said the saving grace of this photo is that the people on there survived.
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PeruzziWatch
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Yes, I do. All I am asking is why there is so much attention given to one tragedy and not other ones. There is no real justice when people go to a football match and never come home. They're all equally tragic, so why don't we hear more about the Heysel deaths during the coverage of the anniversaries of Hillsborough? Surely it's the perfect time to commemorate the tragedies Liverpool have been connected with.
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KarlM
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What a prick Phil Neal like.
rentaghost
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I knew some utter twat wouldn't be able to help themselves. You and Phil Neal cut from the same cloth. Actually getting into Watford in 1985 for the cup tie was the second most scared i have ever been at a match thanks to Sunderland supporters going through cramped turnstiles and having little respect for each other.
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not spavin
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It's less than definitive tbf.
No one is saying "they definitely did jail time" or "they definitely didn't".
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is a very detailed article on the matter - goes into exact amounts of bail etc. and repeats the 'year in prison' claim. Obviously it's not from a unbiased source, but the tone of the article suggests that its author has no reason to make stuff up. The wider point - that the Heysel victims need justice in the same way as the Hillsborough victims - doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.
Suggested in some places, refuted in others.
The perpetrators were flown to face trial by the RAF. I find it unlikely that they were suddenly let off the hook when they came back - the tory government of the time had no reason to show sympathy to Scouse football hooligans.
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Watched it on TV as a 9 year old, its incredible how its more or less forgotten,
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PeruzziWatch
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I think it is fair to say that they were both injustices, though. In the sense that they were both preventable tragedies. Both the result of a lack of proper safety measures.
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