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Everton Fans Thoughts on Rodwell

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Sima said:
Is this the same stance where you accused Villa fans of being bitter when you appointed O'Neill when they warned you of his flaws and when you accused Swindon fans of being bitter when they warned you of Di Canio's flaws?

Rodwell is a good player when fit, of that there is no doubt but don't to be so unobjectionable. Especially when it is people that have viewed him a lot that are reviewing his ability. That mistake was made with O'Neill and Di Canio in the past.
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We are always unobjectionable, it's your lot that are objectionable. Objectively speaking.
 
Sima said:
This is literally your only riposte. About to get ready for work (well, being a NUFC fan, community service as we don't have jobs)
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So you're getting ready for work (so you say) and one of the first things that springs to mind is to go on the SMB!

As I said, get a life. Sad bastard.
 
Sima said:
This is literally your only riposte. About to get ready for work (well, being a NUFC fan, community service as we don't have jobs)
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but to go on your rivals forum at this time of the morning seems quite bizarre. Have you posted on any of your forums yet?
 
SAFC Wilks said:
Kinda emphasising the point with Gus and his staff - maybe, just maybe...they know how to keep players fit - a shocking concept to consider, I know. It is possible however.
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I suspect such hopes will founder, if the experience with Fletcher last season is an indicator.
 
Sima said:
Is this the same stance where you accused Villa fans of being bitter when you appointed O'Neill when they warned you of his flaws and when you accused Swindon fans of being bitter when they warned you of Di Canio's flaws?

Rodwell is a good player when fit, of that there is no doubt but don't to be so unobjectionable. Especially when it is people that have viewed him a lot that are reviewing his ability. That mistake was made with O'Neill and Di Canio in the past.
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Fuck off
 
People were saying the same about Henderson when he left.

Hopefully the lack of playing time at City will give him the desire to kick on with us.
 
squashjoe said:
but to go on your rivals forum at this time of the morning seems quite bizarre. Have you posted on any of your forums yet?
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The lad's an arsehole mate, a sad knacker who some on here think is canny for a mag. They're all the same, sly as fuck and obsessed.

Who in their right mind posts on their rivals forum before 6 in the morning? Come to think of it who in their right mind takes time to register and post on their rivals forum, I have a life and find I have better things to do with it. Obviously the likes of this helmet don't.
 
Havnt read all these pages, but I have asked about 20 evertonians what they think, basically they all say he is a very good player and will be a perfect fit for us. . . . . BUT, only if we can keep him fit, so a bit of a gamble. I think thats a fair evaluation myself
 
SebastienELLISbexter said:
My brother in law (Everton season ticket holder) doesn't rate him. Never heard him say that when rodwell was actually playing for them though. Plus, I know more about football than him, so fuck him. Rodwell's class.
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This is what i dont understand. He was the next big thing when he was there. They were all raving about him, on the back pages every other week. Thats why he commanded such a big fee.
 
When Rodwell came through the ranks he was a ball playing CB, Moyes however didn't really trust playing a youngster at the back (polar opposite of Martinez with Stones) and Rodwell lacked a bit of awareness so he put him in midfield. Looked good but as a DM the lack of awareness meant he let people run off him which ended up being costly, so Moyes moved him to the number 10 position, he scroed one good goal against Man U and lived off that for ages without producing anything like it again. At one point Moyes put Rodwell right wing which was ridiculous and he played appealingly badly. I'm sure Moyes even played him RB once or twice.

The point of the above is the lad never got a proper run in any position and was played in many that were totally wrong for him... it really stunted his development. I remember at the start of one season the rest of the team looking totally unprepared and unfit, Rodwell was running around (playing DM) and demanding the ball, taking a touch and looking for a pass, no one showed time and time again... at that point I remember thinking the lad looked our best player by a mile. Sadly his form nosedived and never recovered.

Then the injuries set in, and from what I've read he even went to Germany and had the controversial PRP blood spinning treatment to cure is hamstrings. 2 seasons of injuries and warming the bench at City would suggest this didn't work.

When Rodwell left we were all laughing that we'd mugged £11m from City (I'm an Everton supporter), because it was just a stupidly inflated fee. I personally am a little taken aback you are paying almost the same despite his lack of game time and constant injuries at City.

All that being said I genuinely believe if Rodwell was breaking through now we'd see a different player as Moyes pretty much ruined him, whereas Martinez would have nurtured him. The problem is no-one knows what he can actually do, he seems when fit and on form someone who will do the simple things, he doesn't make many tackles, doesn't really burst forward, just gets it and lays it off simple. He's athletic but doesn't have any real bite or aggression. He won't score many as he's not really the driving forward type, and he won't break up play a great deal. Add to that he's made of glass and it's a bit of an odd signing IMO.

I think we'd have had him back for about £5m just because he's a blue and the 'well you never know under Martinez...' hope, but for a team that really needs someone to step in and make a difference and at £10m? Pretty huge gamble that I find it hard to see working. Won't bring enough to the team, maybe in time, if he can stay fit, and if he reaches his potential... all big maybes that at this point in time doesn't seem like the right signing at the right fee for you lot.

I like the lad though so I hope I'm wrong and at least he'll get regular game time to develop and find his feet if he can stay fit
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
No links to what was said when they sold him to Man City? Bet it was slightly different then.
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I guess as always depends on which forum you go on... Grand Old Team is like RAWK so not really a good place to look for sensible posts. Like I said at the time we were pretty happy to loose him for £11m. Sad to see him go as he's come through the youth ranks but at the same time it was ridiculous money that we used to buy other players more useful
 
Its not uncommon for young players to have hamstring problems. Plenty grow out of it. I hope that Rodwell is one of them and have confidence in our coaching and medical team to manage it.
For me Rodwell is exactly the sort of player we have been looking for. Six foot two, young, point to prove and from his Everton days full of promise. I think Poyet could get him going again and develop the underlying talent thats there.
He is also a northerner so should be none of this "geography" nonesense.
 
ajax_andy said:
When Rodwell came through the ranks he was a ball playing CB, Moyes however didn't really trust playing a youngster at the back (polar opposite of Martinez with Stones) and Rodwell lacked a bit of awareness so he put him in midfield. Looked good but as a DM the lack of awareness meant he let people run off him which ended up being costly, so Moyes moved him to the number 10 position, he scroed one good goal against Man U and lived off that for ages without producing anything like it again. At one point Moyes put Rodwell right wing which was ridiculous and he played appealingly badly. I'm sure Moyes even played him RB once or twice.

The point of the above is the lad never got a proper run in any position and was played in many that were totally wrong for him... it really stunted his development. I remember at the start of one season the rest of the team looking totally unprepared and unfit, Rodwell was running around (playing DM) and demanding the ball, taking a touch and looking for a pass, no one showed time and time again... at that point I remember thinking the lad looked our best player by a mile. Sadly his form nosedived and never recovered.

Then the injuries set in, and from what I've read he even went to Germany and had the controversial PRP blood spinning treatment to cure is hamstrings. 2 seasons of injuries and warming the bench at City would suggest this didn't work.

When Rodwell left we were all laughing that we'd mugged £11m from City (I'm an Everton supporter), because it was just a stupidly inflated fee. I personally am a little taken aback you are paying almost the same despite his lack of game time and constant injuries at City.

All that being said I genuinely believe if Rodwell was breaking through now we'd see a different player as Moyes pretty much ruined him, whereas Martinez would have nurtured him. The problem is no-one knows what he can actually do, he seems when fit and on form someone who will do the simple things, he doesn't make many tackles, doesn't really burst forward, just gets it and lays it off simple. He's athletic but doesn't have any real bite or aggression. He won't score many as he's not really the driving forward type, and he won't break up play a great deal. Add to that he's made of glass and it's a bit of an odd signing IMO.

I think we'd have had him back for about £5m just because he's a blue and the 'well you never know under Martinez...' hope, but for a team that really needs someone to step in and make a difference and at £10m? Pretty huge gamble that I find it hard to see working. Won't bring enough to the team, maybe in time, if he can stay fit, and if he reaches his potential... all big maybes that at this point in time doesn't seem like the right signing at the right fee for you lot.

I like the lad though so I hope I'm wrong and at least he'll get regular game time to develop and find his feet if he can stay fit
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Spot on. He is a quality player. If he plays more than 20 games a season he will raise the bar for the team. It's a gamble but we're not going to attract players of this quality at the moment unless there is something that puts off the bigger clubs from signing him.
The Everton fans I've heard from all wish the lad well.
 
ajax_andy said:
When Rodwell came through the ranks he was a ball playing CB, Moyes however didn't really trust playing a youngster at the back (polar opposite of Martinez with Stones) and Rodwell lacked a bit of awareness so he put him in midfield. Looked good but as a DM the lack of awareness meant he let people run off him which ended up being costly, so Moyes moved him to the number 10 position, he scroed one good goal against Man U and lived off that for ages without producing anything like it again. At one point Moyes put Rodwell right wing which was ridiculous and he played appealingly badly. I'm sure Moyes even played him RB once or twice.

The point of the above is the lad never got a proper run in any position and was played in many that were totally wrong for him... it really stunted his development. I remember at the start of one season the rest of the team looking totally unprepared and unfit, Rodwell was running around (playing DM) and demanding the ball, taking a touch and looking for a pass, no one showed time and time again... at that point I remember thinking the lad looked our best player by a mile. Sadly his form nosedived and never recovered.

Then the injuries set in, and from what I've read he even went to Germany and had the controversial PRP blood spinning treatment to cure is hamstrings. 2 seasons of injuries and warming the bench at City would suggest this didn't work.

When Rodwell left we were all laughing that we'd mugged £11m from City (I'm an Everton supporter), because it was just a stupidly inflated fee. I personally am a little taken aback you are paying almost the same despite his lack of game time and constant injuries at City.

All that being said I genuinely believe if Rodwell was breaking through now we'd see a different player as Moyes pretty much ruined him, whereas Martinez would have nurtured him. The problem is no-one knows what he can actually do, he seems when fit and on form someone who will do the simple things, he doesn't make many tackles, doesn't really burst forward, just gets it and lays it off simple. He's athletic but doesn't have any real bite or aggression. He won't score many as he's not really the driving forward type, and he won't break up play a great deal. Add to that he's made of glass and it's a bit of an odd signing IMO.

I think we'd have had him back for about £5m just because he's a blue and the 'well you never know under Martinez...' hope, but for a team that really needs someone to step in and make a difference and at £10m? Pretty huge gamble that I find it hard to see working. Won't bring enough to the team, maybe in time, if he can stay fit, and if he reaches his potential... all big maybes that at this point in time doesn't seem like the right signing at the right fee for you lot.

I like the lad though so I hope I'm wrong and at least he'll get regular game time to develop and find his feet if he can stay fit
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Good post. Good insight to his style of play etc. According to some on here you'd think we were getting a cross between beckenbauer and yaya toure!
 
Brainman said:
Spot on. He is a quality player. If he plays more than 20 games a season he will raise the bar for the team. It's a gamble but we're not going to attract players of this quality at the moment unless there is something that puts off the bigger clubs from signing him.
The Everton fans I've heard from all wish the lad well.
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Oh yeah I don't think you'll ever find an Evertonian wishing the lad anything but success... he's a nice guy by all accounts and didn't ever do anything to upset the fans. It's just a shame he came through at the worng time in terms of Moyes not wanting to play him in the right positions to develop properly, and also the injuries. I genuinely hope he does well for your team, would be good to see him reach his potential and become a proper player
 
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