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I'm backing Poyet.

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dirty bristow said:
Yes indeed, but then many people go out and get pissed again.
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You should never chase a high. You'll end up trying more and more desperate measures to try and top the unbeatable first time.

I suppose what I'm saying is that you've Gus to thank for preventing you from becoming a crack whore.
 

not spavin said:
You should never chase a high. You'll end up trying more and more desperate measures to try and top the unbeatable first time.

I suppose what I'm saying is that you've Gus to thank for preventing you from becoming a crack whore.
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The final last week is a beatable high, we could go again and win. We had a chance, we blew it.
 
K1W1M4CK3M said:
If Cattermole didn't implode after O'shea messed up, would you still be saying this if we had drawn 0-0 or Borini/Johnson had got the winner? Of course not, yet a lot of people seem to think they can accuse Poyet of not giving a shit and throwing it away. We had the game relatively under control, not one manager could anticipate, nor rectify the fuck up that was Cattermole.
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When you say under control, i was thinking the whole time that although we had defended well enough, we had nothing going forward. At half time i was thinking right, we got away with that first half and the penalty, now change it straight away. If we had won like you say i would have been over the moon and i'm sure Poyet had the right intentions of trying to give some game time and confidence to some fringe players. I just think most were aprehensive when they first seen the teamsheet before the game for a quarter final. It's gone now so we have to just move on and hopefully get the win against Palace
 
nandos sonic sauce said:
When you say under control, i was thinking the whole time that although we had defended well enough, we had nothing going forward. At half time i was thinking right, we got away with that first half and the penalty, now change it straight away. If we had won like you say i would have been over the moon and i'm sure Poyet had the right intentions of trying to give some game time and confidence to some fringe players. I just think most were aprehensive when they first seen the teamsheet before the game for a quarter final. It's gone now so we have to just move on and hopefully get the win against Palace
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Relatively under control, in the essence we weren't down at half time. Going forward was poor in the final third I agree fully, I wasn't surprised to see Scocco and Fletcher back out in the second though. Giving them another 10-20mins was what I was expecting, if no breakthroughs then change. If we had been down a goal I would have liked to have seen the change at half time.

I was apprehensive after seeing Dossena on the team sheet, I expected Hull to attack him more and we would need to double up to support him. I just never expected our midfield to be so miserable, a lot of the better forward advances came from Bardsley and Dossena and that says a whole lot about how poor Colback, Larrson and Cattermole were.[DOUBLEPOST=1394703876][/DOUBLEPOST]
not spavin said:
We have to rotate teams, all clubs do. That's also a fact.
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Haven't you heard, of all the remaining fixtures (10-12 plus the Hull game) we have to play the strongest team every single time. No rotation, rely on Borini and Altidore only and sod Scocco and Fletcher.
 
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NeilP said:
There's a genuine hatred from fans of all things SKY within football, we all despise the way they've ruined the working mans game and made it all about a single thing, staying in the Premiership. It dominates everything, absolutely everything, and yesterday was another chance for our game to be about something else. Glory, victory, history. No wonder we're up in arms about not going for it all guns blazing.

People don't hate Poyet all of a sudden, we love the man, he's doing his best and the big picture is important, we know that. But next year, when Borini and Ki and others have left us, and we're out of the cups early and we're still wondering what league we're going to be in the year after, we'll know we missed a chance for our game to be worth something more than 15th or 16th in a media driven commercial activity. Is success in something other than the premiership really a distraction?

You don't need to rest players for two weeks for them to give their best. Injuries and suspensions are part of the game, part of the risk, we haven't got the squad to rotate so in important games you give it your best shot. You have got to take that risk. This clearly wasn't an important enough game to do that and while I can, really can empathise with this without agreeing with it, it's shit that it's like that. Last weekend should have sent the message loud and clear that getting to Wembley means something, it got lost in translation.
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Exactly this. Yes it bloody hurts. But it's the way of the football world we live... The one we feed with our money.
Gus is merely a pawn in the process like you and me.
He put a team out to win I can't believe anyone thinks any different to that - it just was not his best team. He made decisions his team could not deliver on. The bloke nearly got himself sent off he was so passionate about the game. Certainly more important to him than for the majority who stayed away for Southampton game.
He put Borini and Johnson on at 0-0. Looked to me as if game going to plan at that stage. He certainly did not put them on with a view to losing, surely no one believes that.
Brown was injured, Ki knackered leaving only alonso as first x1 player not involved. There is a squad for a reason you have to use it to keep players at top of their game mentally and physically.
Yes Gus decided to build the use of his players over the next couple of weeks around the needs of the league games, but he had little choice because of the way football is.
However he put a team out to win ...to believe anything else is to insult the mans integrity.
 
K1W1M4CK3M said:
Relatively under control, in the essence we weren't down at half time. Going forward was poor in the final third I agree fully, I wasn't surprised to see Scocco and Fletcher back out in the second though. Giving them another 10-20mins was what I was expecting, if no breakthroughs then change. If we had been down a goal I would have liked to have seen the change at half time.

I was apprehensive after seeing Dossena on the team sheet, I expected Hull to attack him more and we would need to double up to support him. I just never expected our midfield to be so miserable, a lot of the better forward advances came from Bardsley and Dossena and that says a whole lot about how poor Colback, Larrson and Cattermole were.
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It's all about opinions. I thought Catts was our best player first half and the only concern i had was if he was gonna get sent off (Hull had obviously targeted him, and the ref was game for falling for it) Even my Mam said we should sub him at half time in case he did, and i said he's been our best player and he should stay on. I'm 37 and i bow my head that my bloody mother had better tactical awareness than me!
 
nandos sonic sauce said:
It's all about opinions. I thought Catts was our best player first half and the only concern i had was if he was gonna get sent off (Hull had obviously targeted him, and the ref was game for falling for it) Even my Mam said we should sub him at half time in case he did, and i said he's been our best player and he should stay on. I'm 37 and i bow my head that my bloody mother had better tactical awareness than me!
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He was better in the first half I agree, he just inexplicably imploded in the second, Larrson and Colback however were poor both halves. I think it has been his form that kept him on over what many have called Poyet's favourite. Why he didn't attack that 50-50 with Meyler with his head I'll never know, he wouldn't have been carded, if anything Meyeler may have got done for high feet. Waiting that extra bit for the ball to drop so he could get his foot on it was a very, very poor decision.[DOUBLEPOST=1394705096][/DOUBLEPOST]
dirty bristow said:
No we don't HAVE to.
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Yes you do if you want to succeed, name one successful manger that doesn't rotate? While you do that, ponder the best.

"Ferguson has not named the same team for successive matches once this season"
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K1W1M4CK3M said:
He was better in the first half I agree, he just inexplicably imploded in the second, Larrson and Colback however were poor both halves. I think it has been his form that kept him on over what many have called Poyet's favourite. Why he didn't attack that 50-50 with Meyler with his head I'll never know, he wouldn't have been carded, if anything Meyeler may have got done for high feet. Waiting that extra bit for the ball to drop so he could get his foot on it was a very, very poor decision.[DOUBLEPOST=1394705096][/DOUBLEPOST]


Yes you do if you want to succeed, name one successful manger that doesn't rotate? While you do that, ponder the best.

"Ferguson has not named the same team for successive matches once this season"
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He can rotate with better players, we cannot.
Our 'rotation' weakens our team far more than his ever did.
 
dirty bristow said:
He can rotate with better players, we cannot.
Our 'rotation' weakens our team far more than his ever did.
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The midfield of Colback, Larrson and Cattermole was the same against Man City, the only difference is they played well against MC. Vergini and Dossena didn't do anything that resulted in conceding goals, Dossena was even part of some of our more penetrating forward movements. Bardsely and O'Shea well they are also our non rotated players, yet one of them proved to be "weaker" than the rotated defenders.

Giacherini on recent form was a good shout, expected him to do a hell of a lot more than he did, which was near nought. Fletcher is looking well off his game still and Scocco had a couple of moments but his touch let him down. They didn't score, but neither of them three lost the game for us, that leak in our game came from a midfield/defence that was practically identical to that of the MC game - has played more than enough games together and should have played better than they did.

Colback Larrson

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Dossena O'shea Vergini Bardsley​
 
K1W1M4CK3M said:
The midfield of Colback, Larrson and Cattermole was the same against Man City, the only difference is they played well against MC. Vergini and Dossena didn't do anything that resulted in conceding goals, Dossena was even part of some of our more penetrating forward movements. Bardsely and O'Shea well they are also our non rotated players, yet one of them proved to be "weaker" than the rotated defenders.

Giacherini on recent form was a good shout, expected him to do a hell of a lot more than he did, which was near nought. Fletcher is looking well off his game still and Scocco had a couple of moments but his touch let him down. They didn't score, but neither of them three lost the game for us, that leak in our game came from a midfield/defence that was practically identical to that of the MC game - has played more than enough games together and should have played better than they did.

Colback Larrson

Cattermole

Dossena O'shea Vergini Bardsley​
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Seriously? Do you watch the matches mate?
 
dirty bristow said:
Seriously? Do you watch the matches mate?
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Yes I do, like when he came on after we had been battered by Arsenal and put in a great shift, scored a cracking goal and was a deserved MotM. Or the game before that when he played against Southampton, you know that other game the one with 9 changes. Played even better in that game than he did against Arsenal.

I can see this all from the other side of the world, what's your excuse?
 
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