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Reading Andersons autobiography
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Andy.SAFC
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The Breen Machine
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Vaughan was particularly critical of Moores as he seemed to "coach from a manual" - quoting from books and picking players based on stats rather than looking at the wider picture. I guess you can see where Vaughan was coming from in that respect as the likes of himself, Trescothick, Strauss, Collingwood to name but a few, had very moderate first-class records when they were picked for England but Fletcher saw something in them and was vindicated. Moores seemed to opt for the players who were impressing in county cricket such as Sidebottom and Pattinson but I think particularly with bowlers in this country, you have to be careful with that approach as it's very much horses for courses - the conditions particularly in the early part of the season will always suit solid, line and length, 75 mph seam bowlers such as David Masters and Alan Richardson. You need that extra bit of zip and something that will ask questions of top class batsmen and that's what Fletcher was excellent at identifying.
rentaghost
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Good bowler improved out of sight. A rare oversight on my part
Aye but I seem to remember some daft knacker comparing Prior to Steven Hawkings behind the stumps
Aye but I seem to remember some daft knacker comparing Prior to Steven Hawkings behind the stumps
His keeping has improved out of sight. Neither him nor Anderson are genuine world class but have made the best of their ability so cannot knock them for that.
Charmless Man
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Prior is arguably the best wicket keeper batsmen in the world right now and the only quicks better than Anderson are South African.
Stein and possibly Ajmal are the only two world class test bowlers knocking around atm. Dohni & Sangakkara are better than Prior.
Lets be clear between world class (ie, Donald, Ambrose, Warne) and very good (ie, Anderson, Morkel, Swann)
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The Breen Machine
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Dhoni is a quality player but no way is he better at either discipline than Prior.
dangermows
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No chance is Dhoni, the other I guess is open to debate a little.
Edit: Why is Anderson not world class? He is now dangerous in all conditions. (You dont have to bowl 90mph plus to be world class do you?)
Dhoni is very average with the gloves IMO. And he is a lazy sod to boot.
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Charmless Man
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World class is someone who is among the very best in the world at what they do at a given time. I, and a lot of others, would pick Anderson in a world XI. And Prior.
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Surely world class has to relate to the present. Many cricket fans from around the world would select Anderson and/or Prior in a current world XI. Just because you don't share or like the opinions of the majority doesn't mean that you can change the rules - and you are not going to be allowed a review either.
Surely world class has to relate to the present. Many cricket fans from around the world would select Anderson and/or Prior in a current world XI. Just because you don't share or like the opinions of the majority doesn't mean that you can change the rules - and you are not going to be allowed a review either.
I think its more a case of 15 years down the line, will people still refer to Anderson in the same breath as the three mentioned above. Anderson will be revered as much as a Stuart Mcgill or Jason Gillespie, high class performers but not in the class of a Warne, Donald etc
The Breen Machine
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I think that's fair enough personally, the Gillespie comparison anyway, he will probably be recalled in the same breath as him, Ntini possibly?, the level just below true world class performers.
spot on. All consistently good but lacking that bit of star quality to make that next level up.
dangermows
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Anderson is a much more skillful bowler than any other quick in the world today. All he lacks in comparison to Steyn is the extra couple of mph.
I think if Anderson goes on to break the wicket record for England, and continues to cause bother in all conditions, that he will be regarded as better than that.
I think if Anderson goes on to break the wicket record for England, and continues to cause bother in all conditions, that he will be regarded as better than that.
The Breen Machine
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I think the phrase world class can be banded around a little too easily, world class are players such as Warne, McGrath, Donald, Ambrose - one in an era bowlers. The likes of Anderson, Gillespie, Ntini probably fall into the top class category, which is no mean feet at all.
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there are very few world class players in cricket at the minute, especially in comparison to the greats
but of the current crop there still needs to be players who are world class compared to the rest, and outside of south africa and england, there are few
but of the current crop there still needs to be players who are world class compared to the rest, and outside of south africa and england, there are few
rentaghost
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I agree that Anderson is a significant notch below the Ambrose, Donald types that you mentioned but I would say were players of a generation. I think Anderson is a phenomenally skilful bowler worthy of a 'world class' label. Certainly a huge notch ahead of Stuart McGill who's excellent test match record was developed as a second spinner playing almost always on surfaces that warranted a second spinner.
If that's the definition of world class I would agree Anderson isn't that level. Personally I think if you play cricket and you are classed as one of the very best in the world at what you do then you are world class.
The Breen Machine
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I think it comes back to the era side of things, I'm not sure Anderson would have been considered one of the very best in the world 20 years ago. You can't argue with the here and now though, he's the second best seam bowler in the world for me.
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