£10bn lost in tax credit fraud

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Bagpuss said:
Hmmmm, how interesting that the tory scum argued we cant have a 50% tax rate cause less would be collected from the rich and yet we are happy to spend £2 to reduce £1 in fraud....Rich c unts running the country for rich c unts! :evil:
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I'd rather everyone paid and took the right amount out of our collective pot.

At the moment, there's a lot of people who don't, and know they are likely to get away with it - which makes the situation worse.


5 years of cracking down on it, and the cycle would be broken, then we could reduce spending.

At some point you have to grasp the nettle and do a proper job of something. Can't just keep covering the cracks with gaffer tape and hoping it goes away by itself.

Le Chuck said:
Its why we've ended with this ridiculous child benefit system whereby a couple earning £90k could still get it, but a couple earning £50k (with a single earner) lose out. Despite it being clearly unfair, its more cost effective to administer.
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The entire benefits system needs a complete re-write, from scratch.

So that it makes sense, is easy to administer & extremely hard to cheat.
 


The traditional Labour Party is a massive miss, people have no alternative choice any more.
 
banburysafc said:
That much is true; they're all the same now. All as shite as each other unfortunately.
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They're career politicians marra, no principals and much of a muchness.
Fuck knows how we've ended up in this situation.
 
THELORDROWELL said:
They're career politicians marra, no principals and much of a muchness.
Fuck knows how we've ended up in this situation.
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Saying no to AV didn't f***ing help.

Lab/Tory know that they'll always get voted in, as people will vote for them to stop the other getting in.

There's no real democracy in the UK.
 
I don't understand the whole tax credits system, surely a simpler system would be to cuts taxes for the poorly paid, not start up some crazy bureaucratic nightmare.
 
Le Chuck said:
Its why we've ended with this ridiculous child benefit system whereby a couple earning £90k could still get it, but a couple earning £50k (with a single earner) lose out. Despite it being clearly unfair, its more cost effective to administer.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
The tax credit system, along with the rest of our welfare state, is one thing that makes Britain great - looking after its most vulnerable people. Of course people will try to abuse it, many successfully, and maybe we could be stringent when giving out money, but it is the fraudsters who should be attacked. IDS is blaming the previous Labour government to make a cheap political attack (as all parties are guilty of, to be fair).
 
Les the Scientist said:
I don't understand the whole tax credits system, surely a simpler system would be to cuts taxes for the poorly paid, not start up some crazy bureaucratic nightmare.
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A lot of the lower paid pay no or very little income tax, so it can't be cut to give them a fairer income.
The whole tax credit scheme is set up so the tax payer subsidises big business by topping up their staff wages. Supermarkets and others with massive profits should be made to pay their employees a living wage. The system is bent.
 
John Steed said:
A lot of the lower paid pay no or very little income tax, so it can't be cut to give them a fairer income.
The whole tax credit scheme is set up so the tax payer subsidises big business by topping up their staff wages. Supermarkets and others with massive profits should be made to pay their employees a living wage. The system is bent.
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What specific criteria would you use to identify those companies who had to pay a 'living wage'?
 
THELORDROWELL said:
They're career politicians marra, no principals and much of a muchness.
Fuck knows how we've ended up in this situation.
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Because the great British public are more interested in who wins the X Factor than who's in charge of the country.

John Steed said:
A lot of the lower paid pay no or very little income tax, so it can't be cut to give them a fairer income.
The whole tax credit scheme is set up so the tax payer subsidises big business by topping up their staff wages. Supermarkets and others with massive profits should be made to pay their employees a living wage. The system is bent.
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What a load of old tosh, someone on minimum wage will still lose a quarter of their pay through tax's.
 
Big Sharp Teeth said:
So what about those companies who are just making ends meet at the moment?
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Like what about all those companies just making ends meet when the MW was first introduced. What happened to them? Did the MW result in mass unemployment?

Teed said:
Because the great British public are more interested in who wins the X Factor than who's in charge of the country.

What a load of old tosh, someone on minimum wage will still lose a quarter of their pay through tax's.
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Eh?
 
John Steed said:
Eh?
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You said!

Originally Posted by John Steed
A lot of the lower paid pay no or very little income tax, so it can't be cut to give them a fairer income.
The whole tax credit scheme is set up so the tax payer subsidises big business by topping up their staff wages. Supermarkets and others with massive profits should be made to pay their employees a living wage. The system is bent.
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I said.
someone on minimum wage will still lose a quarter of their pay through tax's.
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What's so hard to understand?
 
Teed said:
Because the great British public are more interested in who wins the X Factor than who's in charge of the country.

What a load of old tosh, someone on minimum wage will still lose a quarter of their pay through tax's.
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One of the biggest cons going, started by Thatchers government, then all governments since. Making a big song and dance about not raising the basic rate of income tax but raising NI contributions and VAT.
 
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