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England v India - 2nd Test, Trent Bridge

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essex boy said:
that statement is naive at best idiotic at worse

why do you think they keep extending the IPL?

il give you a clue do the money men earn more money by playing a test in England in May infront of two men and a dog in the rain or in the IPL to a tv audience of billions

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essex boy said:
that statement is naive at best idiotic at worse

why do you think they keep extending the IPL?

il give you a clue do the money men earn more money by playing a test in England in May infront of two men and a dog in the rain or in the IPL to a tv audience of billions

jesus wept
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There was almost a valid point there but it was overwhelmed by your extraordinary lack of social skills
 
essex boy said:
that statement is naive at best idiotic at worse

why do you think they keep extending the IPL?

il give you a clue do the money men earn more money by playing a test in England in May infront of two men and a dog in the rain or in the IPL to a tv audience of billions

jesus wept
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Because it's a cash cow and nothing more. If the IPL ceased to exist, would any true cricket fan really, genuinely miss it from a cricketing point of view? The only people to lose out would be the players on massive contracts and the Indian fans with the attention span of a goldfish who would rather attend that than a test match.

Like Warnie says, the game needs a balance. There's no reason why the short forms of the game can't continue to exist alongside the good stuff, but with the current structure (or lack of it) for the worldwide cricketing calendar, it just can't work. More global structure could see all forms of the game thriving.

Series in November - December - January for sub-continent/southern hemisphere teams with a limited number of days of cricket, so if they want to, they can all be used for tests, 1 dayers or a mixture of both. February should be free of cricketing commitments. March into early April for the IPL. Then instead of May tests, have that as the T20 and ODI time in England, and most probably the Windies too. Tests in July and August, maybe into September depending on how many tests and who they're against. Again, a limited number of days of international cricket through the English summer as well. Then no cricket in late September and October. OK, not a perfect system by any means, but getting the calendar a bit more organised wouldn't half improve the game globally for all forms of it.
 
chelt_mackem said:
Because it's a cash cow and nothing more. If the IPL ceased to exist, would any true cricket fan really, genuinely miss it from a cricketing point of view? The only people to lose out would be the players on massive contracts and the Indian fans with the attention span of a goldfish who would rather attend that than a test match.

Like Warnie says, the game needs a balance. There's no reason why the short forms of the game can't continue to exist alongside the good stuff, but with the current structure (or lack of it) for the worldwide cricketing calendar, it just can't work. More global structure could see all forms of the game thriving.

Series in November - December - January for sub-continent/southern hemisphere teams with a limited number of days of cricket, so if they want to, they can all be used for tests, 1 dayers or a mixture of both. February should be free of cricketing commitments. March into early April for the IPL. Then instead of May tests, have that as the T20 and ODI time in England, and most probably the Windies too. Tests in July and August, maybe into September depending on how many tests and who they're against. Again, a limited number of days of international cricket through the English summer as well. Then no cricket in late September and October. OK, not a perfect system by any means, but getting the calendar a bit more organised wouldn't half improve the game globally for all forms of it.
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agreed. but my point stands that until schedules are tailored to test cricket, then test cricket will continue its slow decline.
 
now that ive had time to calm down and reflect on the last four days of test crickets i have come to the conclusion that WE ARE f***ing EXCELLENT! 8-)
 
essex boy said:
agreed. but my point stands that until schedules are tailored to test cricket, then test cricket will continue its slow decline.
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Well hopefully, with everyone seemingly saying that the schedule needs re-structuring, we'll see one created that can cater for test cricket better than it does at the moment. Because even with my rough idea outlined above, it shows that there is room for all 3 forms of the game, there just needs to be less saturation.

The only problem I see looking at that is where the World Cup could fit in, but with a show piece event like that, it could be that the best way to fit it in would be to drop the IPL in World Cup years.

I think we will see a re-structure catered for test cricket happen as well, because I don't think any nation traditionally associated with test cricket, regardless of how good they currently are at it, would want to see that form of the game die.
 
Aberdeen Angus said:
could always just swallow your pride and say some players are proving you wrong and overcoming a lot of obstacles you stick in front of them rather than going on daft and making excuses or exceptions in certain circumstances. Thats all it would take for the line to be drawn in the sand and order to be restored on the cricket forum.

Whats the phrase? you win some, you lose some.

Cook, Broad and Bell you called right
Swann, Anderson and Mahmood you havent
Morgan TBC
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Good post. Its always the case in cricket if you are forceful in an opinion over any player you have every chance of being proved wrong because players have it in their own personal make up to improve. EB is similar in many ways to every poster on here the difference being that instead of accepting he made a poor judgement call on a player as we all do he goes into 'wind up' mode and puts forward any tenuous case to defend his initial opinion.

With me i was wrong about Bell and if I had my way he would have been left out before South Africa and he woulnt be putting in the top drawer knock he did in this test. EB has been proved wrong about Jimmy, it doesnt mean EB was wrong to have concerns about him at the time he did but by improving and bowling far better in many differnt conditions Anderson has proved him wrong in the way Bell proved me wrong.

The fact is both players are very good test cricketers in a very good England team and we should all be really pleased with them.
 
chelt_mackem said:
Because it's a cash cow and nothing more. If the IPL ceased to exist, would any true cricket fan really, genuinely miss it from a cricketing point of view? The only people to lose out would be the players on massive contracts and the Indian fans with the attention span of a goldfish who would rather attend that than a test match.

Like Warnie says, the game needs a balance. There's no reason why the short forms of the game can't continue to exist alongside the good stuff, but with the current structure (or lack of it) for the worldwide cricketing calendar, it just can't work. More global structure could see all forms of the game thriving.

Series in November - December - January for sub-continent/southern hemisphere teams with a limited number of days of cricket, so if they want to, they can all be used for tests, 1 dayers or a mixture of both. February should be free of cricketing commitments. March into early April for the IPL. Then instead of May tests, have that as the T20 and ODI time in England, and most probably the Windies too. Tests in July and August, maybe into September depending on how many tests and who they're against. Again, a limited number of days of international cricket through the English summer as well. Then no cricket in late September and October. OK, not a perfect system by any means, but getting the calendar a bit more organised wouldn't half improve the game globally for all forms of it.
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The West Indies couldn't play a home series under that system and Sri Lanka would struggle. Shortening the IPL and making the World T20 every four years instead of every two would be the way I'd go. You would crucify countries financially with the amount of games in your model.
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
The West Indies couldn't play a home series under that system and Sri Lanka would struggle. Shortening the IPL and making the World T20 every four years instead of every two would be the way I'd go. You would crucify countries financially with the amount of games in your model.
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Nailed on, the T-20 is showing signs of burn out all over the world.
 
Mainze said:
Nailed on, the T-20 is showing signs of burn out all over the world.
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Agree with that. 4 weeks should be the absolute maximum for the group stages. If they made these tournaments shorter and adjusted the international schedule, it could be possible to have the English international players involved for a decent chunk of it.

I think they're reverting to 3 groups of 6 next season for our domestic T20 competition so each side will play 10 games (as opposed to 16 this year) and therefore most of the games will be meaningful (except to those of you who don't care for this version of the game).
 
rentaghost said:
Good post. Its always the case in cricket if you are forceful in an opinion over any player you have every chance of being proved wrong because players have it in their own personal make up to improve. EB is similar in many ways to every poster on here the difference being that instead of accepting he made a poor judgement call on a player as we all do he goes into 'wind up' mode and puts forward any tenuous case to defend his initial opinion.

With me i was wrong about Bell and if I had my way he would have been left out before South Africa and he woulnt be putting in the top drawer knock he did in this test. EB has been proved wrong about Jimmy, it doesnt mean EB was wrong to have concerns about him at the time he did but by improving and bowling far better in many differnt conditions Anderson has proved him wrong in the way Bell proved me wrong.

The fact is both players are very good test cricketers in a very good England team and we should all be really pleased with them.
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I cant admit defeat as I havent been proven wrong yet. While Jimmy has done well, a recurring theme of sides sticking teams in, teams showing very little interest in test cricket, sides coming in half cooked or missing key players through injury.

Least we not forget someone like Tremlett is nearly 30 and has 10 tests behind him. Where was he the last 10 years when the likes of Australia were spanking everyone under the sun.

Its intersting that players who have spend years trying to forge an interenational career mostly unsuccessfully are now world beaters....test cricket is in decline and its why ordinary test players are now feted as the worlds best.

Very sad times for test cricket
 
essex boy said:
I cant admit defeat as I havent been proven wrong yet. While Jimmy has done well, a recurring theme of sides sticking teams in, teams showing very little interest in test cricket, sides coming in half cooked or missing key players through injury.

Least we not forget someone like Tremlett is nearly 30 and has 10 tests behind him. Where was he the last 10 years when the likes of Australia were spanking everyone under the sun.

Its intersting that players who have spend years trying to forge an interenational career mostly unsuccessfully are now world beaters....test cricket is in decline and its why ordinary test players are now feted as the worlds best.

Very sad times for test cricket
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Indeed, roll on the 246 IPL games next year that brings the nations to a stand still......covered on ITV8 or something. Cow corner clubbies showing the batting mastery of the slog on flat decks from throw downs from tubby has beens, to the sounds of Jedward echoing around half empty arena's....Test Cricket can be nothing but in decline when faced with such a facile threat.....
 
further nail in the coffin for test cricket as Harby is ruled out anarl.

I would be asking for my money back if I had forked out £70 for a test match ticket this summer

Zaheer Khan
Harby Singh
Virender Sehwag
Gautem Ghambir

There are so few world class test players in the game at the minute, its a travesty that another series has been sold out to the rigours of the IPL
 
essex boy said:
further nail in the coffin for test cricket as Harby is ruled out anarl.

I would be asking for my money back if I had forked out £70 for a test match ticket this summer

Zaheer Khan
Harby Singh
Virender Sehwag
Gautem Ghambir

There are so few world class test players in the game at the minute, its a travesty that another series has been sold out to the rigours of the IPL
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Indeed, you would think a tough guy like Harby could tough out a stomach ache like. England will rightly take their place as the best team in the world in the finest game in the world next week. It seems India's ageing stars are lacking the courage for a fight, and they have little strength in depth beyond this. Exposed and obliterated by Englands finest team for a generation.....long live Test cricket.
 
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