St Patrick's Day

John the Savage said:
We didn't have the capacity to annexe Ireland. However, you also said England did not exist until at least 500 years after Patrick lived - we know that's wrong because Bede wrote a History of England and it's people in the early part of the 8th century.
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No he didn't. He wrote the Ecclesiastical History of the English People, no mention of an England as a nation or state because there was none until Athelstan. There was no England, just Bernicia/Deira (and then Northumbria), Mercia, Wessex etc.

Bede's 'English People' was concerned with the Anglo-Saxons, and large chunks of what we call England now weren't even held by the Angles or the Saxons in Patrick's time given it was a hundred years before this map where even a century later less than half of 'England' was held by the 'English'.

No one thinks there was an England in the 400s.

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mcq10 said:
Love the meltdown on here every year for it :lol:

I’ve a training course on Monday so shall be going out and having a couple later at the Irish centre.

Grandparents are Irish, wife is and my kids have Irish passports.

Think I might get a pass from the grumpy bastards on here :lol:
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Make sure you put your Guinness hat on as well.
 
The King of Um said:
No he didn't. He wrote the Ecclesiastical History of the English People, no mention of an England as a nation or state because there was none until Athelstan. There was no England, just Bernicia/Deira (and then Northumbria), Mercia, Wessex etc.

Bede's 'English People' was concerned with the Anglo-Saxons, and large chunks of what we call England now weren't even held by the Angles or the Saxons in Patrick's time given it was a hundred years before this map where even a century later less than half of 'England' was held by the 'English'.

No one thinks there was an England in the 400s.

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Yes the word didn't exist because the name evolved from the saxon word Anglish- English- the people from Angleland England. Long before 927.
Billy2Sheds said:
You get arrested for saying your English nowadays
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Wouldn't surprise me at all when you've stuff like this happening more and more.
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Fact Hunt said:
If that’s the case I’m quite surprised that you don’t get involved with it. Cheers 🍻
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I celebrate being British, none of that fake green terrorist wankathon, and I hope every celtic follower has a dodgy Guinness and spends tomora wrapped rund the pot
 
It's just an opportunity for English pubs to make some dosh, nothing more nothing less. An Englishman with a stupid Guinness hat on drinking Guinness pretending to be Irish for the day 🤮
 
Was thro Newcastle to see Yard Act (who were class). Pre gig at the 5 Swans which had the highest concentration of young fit students I have ever witnessed. If I didn't look so young and fresh I'd have felt a right dirty old perv amongst it all. An absolutely cracker of a night but post gig clubbing now feels a poor choice whilst sat here at work festering in my own pit of regret. 9/10. Will do again.
 

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