vic halloms balls
Central Defender
ukip voters are total wank.regardless of the other parties,wot f***ing policies do UKIP have apart from out of Europe.it's so easy to do protests.just look at the gallowgate end.aka Ashley and pardew out.
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Le Chuck
Striker
That's the problem - they have!!
One of the barmaids at the bar I drink in voted Labour in locals and Green in Europe. Maybe I'm just stupid (likely answer is yes) but I don't understand why people vote different parties for different areas. It's like saying "I vote Labour for local but Conservative for general"...why??
locals & GE are FPTP, this encourages people to vote tactically agaisnt who you don't want rather than for who you want.
Also local issues can be different to national or european issues.
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lordy
Guest
sadsack01
Winger
Yeah, that kind of explains it. But still...if you have a belief in a party to do something locally, why not have the same belief country-wide or european?
UKIP will be targeting specific area's for the general election. They won't get anywhere near 30% of the national vote.
But they could potentially have elected MP's with less than 30% of the share, if they target the right places.
sadsack01
Winger
But surely (and this is probably where I'm stupid) they should do the same locally or nationally or European?
Different voting system.
Chappers
Striker
Using the lib dems as an example
I may not think they would do a good job nationally at this time.. However, they may run my local services well enough. I could be anti Europe so would never vote for them In Europe.
Which is what I pretty much said.
Some Random Guy
Striker
Yeah alright, miles better. I'm on an average salary, I could have realistically saved up over the next decade and paid my kids fees, no chance now. If I want to change careers through unemployment now I get into 30k worth of debt rather than 10k. It's so much better now.
Cheers Dave, appreciate it, you deserve all the blow jobs. Top man Dave Cameron.
sadsack01
Winger
But why put a party who don't want to be part of Europe INTO Europe? I don't get it...
Chappers
Striker
At the moment it's the only way to show the others that you don't want to be part of Europe.
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urmom777
Guest
More like 40k mate, with a student maintenance loan (which is needed if you live there and don't have "rich" parents). For the younger people that is*
sadsack01
Winger
sadsack01
Winger
This one doesn't make sense, to me...we're going to pay for these people to be in the European Parliament for them to tell Parliament that we don't want to be there...
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urmom777
Guest
Because they it will shake things up and force the cons etc into acting upon it.
If they can't be arsed to vote that's their problem, no one else's.
Le Chuck
Striker
It's not real debt, most people won't come close to paying anywhere near it all off.
Someone of average salary will be paying off £40 a month, under the old system that was £80
chr1s1973
Striker
I can't believe it's been so long since this was passed and people like you don't understand it. The tuition fees are far better now. They are a de-facto tax on the more affluent and as you no longer have to pay anything up front it makes education far more accessible. This was a Liberal Democrat generated policy from memory and one of the best things that has happened during the current parliament.
Introducing fees and abolishing grants was the real disgrace, that and http://www.theguardian.com/education/2009/nov/03/second-degrees-higher-education-funding, introduced by Labour. The second degree thing still annoys me. It reduces social mobility and makes for a less flexible labour force. Yet none of you fuckers were up in arms about that.
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