Gus Poyet blames under-strength squad for Black Cats' struggles

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redgauntlet said:
We concentrated on Borini because there was money owing, it wasn't money that could be picked up and taken used elsewhere. there is nowhere that Sunderland would pay £14m for one player these days, it didn't happen like that. I don't believe for one single moment thatb Rodwell cost £ 10m, he may do if (for instance) he scores six goals in one game at Wembley, it's got to be all add on's, it's probably more if he wins the World cup with England.
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Waiting for Borini had fuck all to do with our lack of defensive options anarl.
 


Brexit said:
Scocco, Bridcutt, Vergini, Buckley & Coates. All Poyet's work, aye? Not backed by Short/Congerton? Some people will believe any old shite.
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Vergini has been a canny signing tbf. Personally i think Buckley has done quite well and will be a decent squad option for us. Was Scocco not on our radar before Poyet? I'd be unsure to whether or not that is one of Poyets signings. Coates is injured which is a bit unlucky. Bridcutt, fair enough been largely crap since his debut.

Also its not like we've broke the bank for any of them.
 
redgauntlet said:
We concentrated on Borini because there was money owing, it wasn't money that could be picked up and used elsewhere. there is noway that Sunderland would pay £14m for one player these days, it didn't happen like that. I don't believe for one single moment that Rodwell cost £ 10m, he may do if (for instance) if he scores six goals in one game at Wembley, it's got to be all add on's, it's probably more if he wins the World cup with England.
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You have no idea about that and I really can't see the logic behind it anyway. Very few transfers are paid up front anyway and they certainly aren't accounted for that way.
So the income due from liverpool could be used to offset any payments to another club in exactly the same way.
 
Teejay said:
Yes, but coupled with the paper-thin squad, I think he was forced to play players who weren't fully fit. Other teams may have had the luxury of being able to rest players.
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Quite possibly, I never heard the whole of the interview so can't comment on anything he may have said in relation to the international break. Obviously, a paper thin squad doesn't help our cause.
 
For me we are looking better than what we did this time last year. With another transfer window coming up it will only strengthen the team more. Its a frustrating position to be in for poyet and any manager when their hands are tied but thats the way it is. He would be making other excuses from the seat of another club telling us how it was not his fault Sunderland are in free fall through the leagues with spiraling debts. There is a reason why managers aren't financial advisers. They don't teach it in football nor any coaching badges. He knew the situation when he took the job. Its a slow process of gradually building something but everyone wants everything now.
Problem is, if it wasn't for the score and we simply lost 2 or 2 nil for me, we wouldn't be having this debate and we would be talking about what we need to change for the next match, what we need to do better etc and not questioning the methods in which the club is run, its been like that for a long time now.
 
sksk3021 said:
You have no idea about that and I really can't see the logic behind it anyway. Very few transfers are paid up front anyway and they certainly aren't accounted for that way.
So the income due from liverpool could be used to offset any payments to another club in exactly the same way.
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So, if you are right, Poyet should be sacked for total incompetance. Unless the money was never there and we didn't think he would ever come. There's something not right at all about the whole business.
 
redgauntlet said:
We concentrated on Borini because there was money owing, it wasn't money that could be picked up and used elsewhere. there is noway that Sunderland would pay £14m for one player these days, it didn't happen like that. I don't believe for one single moment that Rodwell cost £ 10m, he may do if (for instance) if he scores six goals in one game at Wembley, it's got to be all add on's, it's probably more if he wins the World cup with England.
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Disagree on Borini RG. Whether it was down to cash owing or not it could still be used. We either forgo the money from LFC or we collect it and use it somewhere else. That's just a matter of cashflow. Think it was @Maxie who said that we made a big offer late in the window for a striker. I'm fairly sure that there is money there. The problem is that Poyet is intransigent when it comes to player acquisition. He either knows them well or he's not that interested. As I said earlier I bet he was absolute murder for Congerton this summer.
 
redgauntlet said:
We concentrated on Borini because there was money owing, it wasn't money that could be picked up and used elsewhere. there is noway that Sunderland would pay £14m for one player these days, it didn't happen like that. I don't believe for one single moment that Rodwell cost £ 10m, he may do if (for instance) if he scores six goals in one game at Wembley, it's got to be all add on's, it's probably more if he wins the World cup with England.
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I don't get this arguement, we are still owed the money. Not like we will allow Liverpool to right the debt off.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
What was it that @Captain_Fishpaste said after Stoke? Oh aye, that Poyet isn't easy to like and that he quickly goes into self preservation mode when things go against him. Now, I agree that the timing of the article wasn't great (since we'd just won) but at least it avoids claims of knee-jerking, after the Southampton game I think we've seen exactly why people think like that. I don't dislike Poyet, but I can't really warm to him either and he is about as bad as bruce for passing the buck (albeit all managers do it to an extent). For the record I'm glad we've got him and we should give him time, but it is a shame to see this side of him come out again
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Revisiting that thread (I won't bump it) and comparing it to the posts this week shows how fickle the majority on here are.
 
The Cabbage said:
Disagree on Borini RG. Whether it was down to cash owing or not it could still be used. We either forgo the money from LFC or we collect it and use it somewhere else. That's just a matter of cashflow. Think it was @Maxie who said that we made a big offer late in the window for a striker. I'm fairly sure that there is money there. The problem is that Poyet is intransigent when it comes to player acquisition. He either knows them well or he's not that interested. As I said earlier I bet he was absolute murder for Congerton this summer.
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It was, but nothing was reported at all, so I don't buy into it. Although I reckon it could have been a loan move for Welbeck, and chinese whispers played a part in it becoming a transfer.
 
HutchSafc said:
Vergini has been a canny signing tbf. Personally i think Buckley has done quite well and will be a decent squad option for us. Was Scocco not on our radar before Poyet? I'd be unsure to whether or not that is one of Poyets signings. Coates is injured which is a bit unlucky. Bridcutt, fair enough been largely crap since his debut.

Also its not like we've broke the bank for any of them.
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We've spent about £8.5m on them. They've mostly been crap.
 
chriswallace85 said:
We should have been looking to invest in a centre half from day one, not just loan one (or two if you include Vergini).
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I agree, we should have bought one but the Borini thing wouldn't have helped matters knowing that we might be getting a centre half instead of him when there were other positions that also needed filling. One thing's for sure, the waiting game wrecked our window. I hope all concerned learn something from their mistakes.
 
Brexit said:
We've spent about £8.5m on them. They've mostly been crap.
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£8.5m for Vergini and Buckley would probably represent decent business based on their performances to date. It's the wages wasted on Scocco, Coates and Bridcutt that is more the issue.
 
mackembhoy said:
Everything was fine and dandy after the swansea game.

He cannit have it both ways.
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To be fair, the Swansea game we had Brown and Jones available. We entered the 2nd half of a PL game on Saturday, with 3 defenders. Now whether that is Congertons fault, Poyets fault or a bit of both, that is simply not good enough or acceptable.
 
Burnopfield Mackem said:
To be fair, the Swansea game we had Brown and Jones available. We entered the 2nd half of a PL game on Saturday, with 3 defenders. Now whether that is Congertons fault, Poyets fault or a bit of both, that is simply not good enough or acceptable.
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To be fair Poyet was very specific in the players he wanted. Coates being one, massive crock and is also shit
 
Howard the Duck said:
Revisiting that thread (I won't bump it) and comparing it to the posts this week shows how fickle the majority on here are.
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Yep, not sure whether its the same people being fickle or simply different people commenting this time but the fact is that the article was almost universally panned on here (with only a few of us, whilst agreeing that the timing of it wasnt great, defending some of the content) and yet now the main criticisms levelled in it are being repeated almost verbatim here.

Even when we had just won i thought it was valid, it is hard to really like poyet imo (others will disagree but whilst i dont dislike the bloke i certainly dont warm to him like i did to the vast majority of our previous managers of recent years). He does very quickly go into self-preservation mode, more so than many others imo, he does always seem like hes about to walk away as soon as things get tough and we all heard the reports that he had a clause in his contract so that he could walk away for free should he keep us up which, if true, is hardly the sign of someone who isnt consumed by self-interest.

He has a lot to prove. Im absolutely in favour of giving him time to do so and i do think hes done a decent job but its not been faultless by any means and he needs to take full responsibility for results rather than seek to hide behind the fact he doesnt fully control transfers. Last season we got a much needed miracle, this season he needs to prove that he can help us avoid needing the same again because, by their very nature, miracles dont keep happening. Over to you gus, starting saturday
 
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