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Yann M'vila - target or not?

GRABS said:
I believe Speakman feels hes the most important person at the club, I think the likes of Yann threatens his leadership.
Its starting to become clear that Mowbray has told them to stick it rather then be sacked, in the same way Neil did.
The bloke just doesn’t like people that stand up to him.
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Each to their own but I can't agree with that.
 

sir rowell cummins said:
Have you met him like ? You seem to know him well. Or is this a made up theory ?
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No, of course not, its just a theory, but my day job requires profiling and this guy ticks alot of boxes in what I look out for.
Its quite common for people in high places to be threatened by incumbent quality staff, its in their nature to reject them or move them on to maintain their dominance.
 
Yann M'vila was brilliant for us and we should have brought him straight back ,we didn`t and now if we bring him `home` he hasn`t played since last season . If we bring him home then by the time he is fit to play the season will have gone and next season , well he`s another year older. Cannot see it happening it`s been mentioned before when Defoe came home he wasn`t match fit and Yann would take longer to get up to speed.
 
GRABS said:
No, of course not, its just a theory, but my day job requires profiling and this guy ticks alot of boxes in what I look out for.
Its quite common for people in high places to be threatened by incumbent quality staff, its in their nature to reject them or move them on to maintain their dominance.
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Ok mate. Was mystic Meg your ma?
 
GRABS said:
I believe Speakman feels hes the most important person at the club, I think the likes of Yann threatens his leadership.
Its starting to become clear that Mowbray has told them to stick it rather then be sacked, in the same way Neil did.
The bloke just doesn’t like people that stand up to him.
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He is the most important bloke at the club tbh, at least on the footballing side.
 
GRABS said:
I believe Speakman feels hes the most important person at the club, I think the likes of Yann threatens his leadership.
Its starting to become clear that Mowbray has told them to stick it rather then be sacked, in the same way Neil did.
The bloke just doesn’t like people that stand up to him.
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Don't know why some posters have turned the club into a game of thrones scenario. Are your beliefs etc more than vibes-based? If not, please commit them to the flames for they are nothing but sophistry & illusion.
 
It just seems such an obvious signing. A lad who wants to come, has all the experience int he world, I think he will as in the top percentile for ball winning in the Champions League last season and would inspire the young French lads, surely?
 
GRABS said:
I believe Speakman feels hes the most important person at the club, I think the likes of Yann threatens his leadership.
Its starting to become clear that Mowbray has told them to stick it rather then be sacked, in the same way Neil did.
The bloke just doesn’t like people that stand up to him.
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On the footballing side, as Director of Football, Speakman probably is the most important person at the club. He is the boss of the Head Coach. Speakman will have set out the strategy and Head Coach's objectives when he appointed them and they presumably agreed to them. Both Neil and Mowbray publicly undermined the club's strategy repeatedly. Most people undermining and publicly calling out their boss are going end up losing their job.
 
genewolf said:
On the footballing side, as Director of Football, Speakman probably is the most important person at the club. He is the boss of the Head Coach. Speakman will have set out the strategy and Head Coach's objectives when he appointed them and they presumably agreed to them. Both Neil and Mowbray publicly undermined the club's strategy repeatedly. Most people undermining and publicly calling out their boss are going end up losing their job.
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Its been discussed a lot on here but when things were going well Mowbray would tell us what a joy it was to manage such a talented, fearless bunch. When it started to go badly Mowbray publicly criticised the players and the lack of experience. Mowbray was never really comnfortable with the DOF system. In the modern game this is more and more common and coaches will be more and more comfortable with this.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Its been discussed a lot on here but when things were going well Mowbray would tell us what a joy it was to manage such a talented, fearless bunch. When it started to go badly Mowbray publicly criticised the players and the lack of experience. Mowbray was never really comnfortable with the DOF system. In the modern game this is more and more common and coaches will be more and more comfortable with this.
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Various levels of autonomy within that though. Eg Liverpool (as I’m watching them) have one but Klopp still has control of transfers etc.

Spurs have one but Postecoglou identifies their signings.

Do t know why people act like it’s this binary thing.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Various levels of autonomy within that though. Eg Liverpool (as I’m watching them) have one but Klopp still has control of transfers etc.

Spurs have one but Postecoglou identifies their signings.

Do t know why people act like it’s this binary thing.
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Yes, I agree but Speakman will argue that Mowbray would be consulted on transfers. Yes, Mowbray was whingeing at the end but we are guessing. In some ways you are suggesting that the Sunderland system is a binary one when Dack suggests there is flexibility.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Yes, I agree but Speakman will argue that Mowbray would be consulted on transfers. Yes, Mowbray was whingeing at the end but we are guessing. In some ways you are suggesting that the Sunderland system is a binary one when Dack suggests there is flexibility.
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I’m not suggesting our system is binary. More highlighting that people think just because a club has a dof (or Sporting director) that a manager is absolved of any player acquisition duties.

I think it’s clear Mowbray was given Dack, and Johnson Roberts imo, but it’s not the be all or end all and having a coach that has very little bar a token signing, isn’t as standard or as binary as made out. It’s neither here or there but often used as both sides of an argument to suit.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
I’m not suggesting our system is binary. More highlighting that people think just because a club has a dof (or Sporting director) that a manager is absolved of any player acquisition duties.

I think it’s clear Mowbray was given Dack, and Johnson Roberts imo, but it’s not the be all or end all and having a coach that has very little bar a token signing, isn’t as standard or as binary as made out. It’s neither here or there but often used as both sides of an argument to suit.
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Oh well, in that case I totally agree. I guess its easier fdor Kopp to sign off on players when he gets offered Nunez or Diaz.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Oh well, in that case I totally agree. I guess its easier fdor Kopp to sign off on players when he gets offered Nunez or Diaz.
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He didnt get offered either of them. Ljinders (the assistant manager who used to be at Porto) has written about their process and it was all them including background checks etc.

Wasn’t a dof giving them a couple of options. Think the sporting director (was Ward but they have someone else now) there is more about keeping the departments aligned though Klopp still has a lot of authority on that as well in terms of bringing them through etc.

They have full control of sales as well as when they are sold. They don’t like to buy late in the window where it can be helped, or sell late for example.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
He didnt get offered either of them. Ljinders (the assistant manager who used to be at Porto) has written about their process and it was all them including background checks etc.

Wasn’t a dof giving them a couple of options. Think the sporting director (was Ward but they have someone else now) there is more about keeping the departments aligned though Klopp still has a lot of authority on that as well in terms of bringing them through etc.

They have full control of sales as well as when they are sold. They don’t like to buy late in the window where it can be helped, or sell late for example.
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Interesting stuff. Certainly didn't know any of that. Its easier for Liverpool but certainly I'm sure we can improve. That said our system is light years ahead of the Danny Graham/O'Brien days.
 
Don't even think him being unfit would be that big of an issue, even an unfit M'Villa would be twice the player than the likes of Ekwah if he hasn't lost his touch.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Interesting stuff. Certainly didn't know any of that. Its easier for Liverpool but certainly I'm sure we can improve. That said our system is light years ahead of the Danny Graham/O'Brien days.
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Aye, no denying that. I think Speakman is holding the club together at the minute personally. Certainly papering over a number of cracks.

A couple of years ago our player equalisation was based on the first x Oxford player to call us.
 
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