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pillars of hercules
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It's a difficult one. It's not nice hearing any personally abusive language aimed at anyone but i dont think calling someone a black **** is any worse than a ginger ****. People can be abusive for the sake of it without any real prejudice, whereas people can be racists and say nothing.
If I saw someone being personally racist to someone I would confront them. If someone shouted some shit from the crowd then probably not.
Get Into Em
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An u14 team are 13 year olds aren't they? The lad who was shouting it looked about 18-20.
Definitely Maybe
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My mate reported somebody years ago (can't remember what for). The steward tipped him off though and he confronted my mate about it at the next match 
Bishop Mackem
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Tex
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No I’m not.
I’m saying that accepting ‘puff’ was and is a negative term for homosexuals, some time ago it evolved a second meaning, which may be mutually exclusive from its first, as meaning soft, wimpy, effeminate, no pain tolerance, namby pamby, overly sensitive, mammy’s boy, incapable of enduring hardship, cries at the drop of a hat etc.
If all these words become off limits due to the possibility of someone, somewhere taking offence, where does it end? If you dig deep enough you could find offence in almost everything but the most bland and unemotional words.
I’m reminded of a politician who was rebuked for using the word ‘niggardly’, so he did the round of apologies. Prayers with Jessie Jackson, sensitivity training etc, until someone pointed out that the etymology of the word has nothing to do with ‘nigger’ so he then did the rounds retracting his apologies looking ever more ridiculous than if he’d just stuck to his guns in the first place.
matt228
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I had a season ticket for 4 years when I was a teenager and I don't think I ever heard any racism or homophobia, but that's mid-2000s and honestly my memory's shocking so that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I would have hoped it was less common these days than previously, but one bigot is too many.
I would imagine that the sort of folk who are likely to be shouting that sort of abuse are likely to be more used to fighting than I am, so I probably wouldn't put myself in potential harm's way by standing up to them directly. I've noticed that sports arenas here in Canada tend to have a number you can text anonymously to report inappropriate behaviour: maybe we could do with something like that at the Stadium of Light so that soft shites like myself can report homophobic/racist abuse to the stewards without having to go all vigilante and risk getting a punch for it.
Someone earlier in the thread was asking @Steeeeed whether he'd be OK with being called a homo (I'm not going back through 9 pages to find it). I obviously can't speak for him, nor would I want to try, but if you were to ask me the same question the answer is a resounding "no". There's a distinction to be drawn between the sort of chat you can have with friends and the sort of chat I expect from perfect strangers. If my mates called me a homo/bent/queer/whatever when we were ripping each other, I'd probably be fine with it as there's no malice. If someone at the match called me the same thing I'd be fucked off. Sadly, probably still not to the point of challenging them. Too much of a coward.
I would imagine that the sort of folk who are likely to be shouting that sort of abuse are likely to be more used to fighting than I am, so I probably wouldn't put myself in potential harm's way by standing up to them directly. I've noticed that sports arenas here in Canada tend to have a number you can text anonymously to report inappropriate behaviour: maybe we could do with something like that at the Stadium of Light so that soft shites like myself can report homophobic/racist abuse to the stewards without having to go all vigilante and risk getting a punch for it.
Someone earlier in the thread was asking @Steeeeed whether he'd be OK with being called a homo (I'm not going back through 9 pages to find it). I obviously can't speak for him, nor would I want to try, but if you were to ask me the same question the answer is a resounding "no". There's a distinction to be drawn between the sort of chat you can have with friends and the sort of chat I expect from perfect strangers. If my mates called me a homo/bent/queer/whatever when we were ripping each other, I'd probably be fine with it as there's no malice. If someone at the match called me the same thing I'd be fucked off. Sadly, probably still not to the point of challenging them. Too much of a coward.
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depends on the situation and I've never experienced it at the match
safc_grindon
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What a lot of bollocks.
The insinuation is and always has been that being gay equates to being "soft, wimpy, effeminate, no pain tolerance, namby pamby, overly sensitive, mammy’s boy, incapable of enduring hardship, cries at the drop of a hat etc". That's the f***ing point.
You're attempting to defend a slur, that's only ever had one meaning. The fact that it's used so lightly and freely doesn't change the meaning or excuse it all all.
This lad
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- who was originally tweeting as the Newcastle branch of Sunderland supporters, but has since changed it to his own name - has a pop at the original tweet, saying it "never happened." Essentially, refusing to believe racism could take place at the SoL (and I'm probably guessing anywhere, ever) A couple of tweets later, same thread, he's banging on about being a "Brexiteer").
Then he blocks the RAWA for calling him out, after tweeting to them "Racism is not as rife as people would have you believe".
Hellavu advert for his branch...
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two left feet
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I’ve been on the receiving end of racism at the match started by one and then a few more joined in.
Didnt report it, stoppedcism attending that season (70-71) and changed stands for the next season.
No one would have listened to anything I said back then.
These days, I’ve experienced more racism on this forum than at the match.
Didnt report it, stoppedcism attending that season (70-71) and changed stands for the next season.
No one would have listened to anything I said back then.
These days, I’ve experienced more racism on this forum than at the match.
Most footballers aren't actually black, either What difference does that make?
So if I call somebody a black c*nt of he's not, that's ok, in your book?
I never usually post on here, just read the comments but feel like I should speak up on this.
As a gay man seeing someone speak up against homophobia and racism is a good thing. Even if the lad saying it was young. There’s just no place for it in modern society. I’ve never had or heard anything homophobic whilst at the SOL, which is great but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
I don’t find the word puff offensive at all, some might but I don’t. The word f*ggot I do. It’s up there with the N word, for me.
And let’s be honest, when was the last time you used the word gay to mean happy?
As a gay man seeing someone speak up against homophobia and racism is a good thing. Even if the lad saying it was young. There’s just no place for it in modern society. I’ve never had or heard anything homophobic whilst at the SOL, which is great but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
I don’t find the word puff offensive at all, some might but I don’t. The word f*ggot I do. It’s up there with the N word, for me.
And let’s be honest, when was the last time you used the word gay to mean happy?
TubeStationAt12
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Shut up man you fuckin idiot.
Stortford
Winger
I called out someone at the league game at Walsall. He was calling the supporters Dirty P@ki Cxxxs, and such like always with the P word. He was right behind me in the back row and I turned around and said no need for that type of language its just not acceptable. He responded that "....but I just hate the cxxxs". I just said that is up to you but no need for racist language I would appreciate if you would stop it as just no need. He was a young lad maybe 20 about 6 foot 4, the lads he was with ere younger and smaller. I thought he would give me a mouthful or worse as I was on my todd but he didn't and didn't use any more racist language, whether he will at the next game who knows but if we all call it out even those at the bottom of the gene pool will eventually realise its unacceptable, though sadly it will take time.
Steeeeed
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Oh I'm sure the linguists on here always say they are gay when they're feeling happy and care free. Absolutely convinced of it
Definitely Maybe
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Would say racist abuse in the ground is rare nowadays, probably because of CCTV and the risk of banning orders, etc.
Instead, its more 'you're not allowed to say X' or 'we've all got to say such and such now', where there's clear undertones but they're too cowardly to say what they think.
Outside the ground is a different story though. Dont go to as many aways now but in the past it was rife seeing big groups of pissed men shouting JIIII in the face of anyone who looked remotely Asian, especially in London where you had lots of tourists. Not sure how you challenge or police that.
On one hand I think there's been massive strides made over the past 10 years or so but then again how much of that is just people keeping quiet in the ground now because they know they'll get banned rather than attitudes changing? 30 years ago it was black players being abused whereas now with the rise in terrorist attacks it's Muslims/Asians - there aren't many Asian footballers so you don't hear it as much in the ground but hear lots of it outside the ground
Instead, its more 'you're not allowed to say X' or 'we've all got to say such and such now', where there's clear undertones but they're too cowardly to say what they think.
Outside the ground is a different story though. Dont go to as many aways now but in the past it was rife seeing big groups of pissed men shouting JIIII in the face of anyone who looked remotely Asian, especially in London where you had lots of tourists. Not sure how you challenge or police that.
On one hand I think there's been massive strides made over the past 10 years or so but then again how much of that is just people keeping quiet in the ground now because they know they'll get banned rather than attitudes changing? 30 years ago it was black players being abused whereas now with the rise in terrorist attacks it's Muslims/Asians - there aren't many Asian footballers so you don't hear it as much in the ground but hear lots of it outside the ground
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It's a Totenkopf; it was an elite unit insignia in the Prussian military long before the NSDAP usurped it and other symbols with ancient and mystical significance, Norse Runes, Sun Wheels,
Swastika etc.
I think even British units have had a skull as their insignia too, its to do with our ancestors fascination with collecting the heads of our enemies if you delve into the misty past.
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