*~*~* Wimbledon v Sunderland match thread *~*~*

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hank williams said:
that’s exactly bent your doing saying the mag tramp would score more if he had the same or more goals tha; Wyke

if he had the same run of games
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I can’t even read that. Translator?
pwsafc said:
Whatever, you are a strange person revelling in having a go at a striker who has just scored a hattrick and won us the game. Dont think anyone on here is a big charlie wyke fan but everyone else is buzzing hes got hattrick and we won
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I remember the last 2 games when he missed sitters and cost us 4 points pal. Could be third today.
 
TravellingMackem said:
I never said he was. I said that obrien should play up front with onien or Gooch behind.

Of course everyone misses chances. We’re talking about the amount of misses here. Keep up at the back.
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What, the 2 misses in his last 2 games? All 2 of them? That’s your argument that he missed a chance in each of his last 2 games? Bellend you lad.

Strikers get in positions to have a chance of scoring but how many do you know that have a 100% shot to goals ratio?

you’re defo only a kid or you have the mind of a kid because your repeating the same statements over and over again even when someone challenges that statement with facts that are on record. You come across a bit “ am I bothered? Am I bothered ? Am I bothered though? Am I though? Is it though?
 
Betty Swollocks said:
What, the 2 misses in his last 2 games? All 2 of them? That’s your argument that he missed a chance in each of his last 2 games? Bellend you lad.

Strikers get in positions to have a chance of scoring but how many do you know that have a 100% shot to goals ratio?

you’re defo only a kid or you have the mind of a kid because your repeating the same statements over and over again even when someone challenges that statement with facts that are on record. You come across a bit “ am I bothered? Am I bothered ? Am I bothered though? Am I though? Is it though?
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Could keep going, but that is enough to prove my point
 
pwsafc said:
Whatever, you are a strange person revelling in having a go at a striker who has just scored a hattrick and won us the game. Dont think anyone on here is a big charlie wyke fan but everyone else is buzzing hes got hattrick and we won
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We don’t seem to often agree mate, but you’re spot on here. I was critical of Wyke at half time, despite his goal and I’m absolutely chuffed to have had egg on my face come full time. Good stuff. 3 very welcome points. A hat trick from a player who probably needs a confidence boost with the fans. Good day for us
 
TravellingMackem said:
Hes shit, hence the pelters. Was wholly justified. He has the worst xG to goals ratio of the top 25 scorers in league one...
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He’s a one man betting sting marra.
G Force said:
We don’t seem to often agree mate, but you’re spot on here. I was critical of Wyke at half time, despite his goal and I’m absolutely chuffed to have had egg on my face come full time. Good stuff. 3 very welcome points. A hat trick from a player who probably needs a confidence boost with the fans. Good day for us
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Not as much as the fans need a confidence boost with him though.
 
G Force said:
We don’t seem to often agree mate, but you’re spot on here. I was critical of Wyke at half time, despite his goal and I’m absolutely chuffed to have had egg on my face come full time. Good stuff. 3 very welcome points. A hat trick from a player who probably needs a confidence boost with the fans. Good day for us
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Yeah still dont think hes a great player, but credit where credit is due hes scoring goals, and like you say confidence is a big thing in football, if he keeps scoring then it can only be better for us
 
Moneyball said:
xG is a flawed metric in isolation. Doesn’t include situational data.

It doesn’t take into account:

- The speed or direction the ball is reaching the player taking the shot.

- If the shot has to be taken with the players stronger/weaker foot.

- If the player is sprinting, balanced, well set to take the shot.

- If a player is stretching to reach the ball.

- The defenders between the ball and the goal, possibly narrowing the angle.

- Importance of scoring, increased pressure on the striker.

- Conditions of the pitch or weather.

- the keeper is also irrelevant.

Position and previous scoring patterns from such positions are taken into account but all of the above have a massive impact on the successfulness of the shot.

Most of the above make every shooting opportunity different than simply what position it was taken from.
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what the fuck is that all about? will make me think in quantum mechanics next time I watch a Sunderland game, not just how many goals we score more than the opposition:)
 
Moneyball said:
No it doesn’t it records a chance occurred in a position of the pitch. It takes zero consideration of anything else. And the binary outcome of goal/no goal.

It includes NO other metrics or situational data. Third and last time I’m trying to explain this.

For example xG in isolation makes no difference in weight between a chance on the penalty spot with a perfect rolled and weighted pass and a whipped ball around the throat. Furthermore xG in isolation doesn’t differentiate between a chance with no fucker around the striker or 7 defenders in the way. Get it?

In isolation xG is hugely flawed and anyone relying on xG in isolation to win internet points is the muppet I’m afraid.
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That not dependent on the model used? I seem to remember statsbomb were folding in more and more situational data into their model.

I mean obviously it’s being wildly misused here but it represents a good indicator of the overall volume and quality of chances that a team creates. I guess we’re back to a little knowledge being a dangerous thing:lol:
 
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