Why the hate campaign against EVs?

[Billy Fish]

Dont even mention when the plug is frozen solid.

Cue smart arse saying plug is heated

Getting better as the night goes on

Billy doesn't get range anxiety either.

Cool as ice is Billy.

Be like Billy.

As cool as a frozen charger plug

I don’t believe for a minute that you can cover 300 miles on a charge especially on a mixed route - the Tesla long range has been tested at 221 miles if travelling at a constant 70 mph
I’ve been there and bought the T shirt but the difference is that I am being totally honest about my EV experience

It's got a 75kWh useable battery.
Over the 50k+ miles I've had it for it is currently averaging 250wh/mile or 4 miles/kW. 4x75=300 miles.

 

[Wicksy]

Getting better as the night goes on

As cool as a frozen charger plug

It's got a 75kWh useable battery.
Over the 50k+ miles I've had it for it is currently averaging 250wh/mile or 4 miles/kW. 4x75=300 miles.

You should pass your battery onto Tesla - looks like your driving has outscored any of the real world tests carried out

Our MotorTrend Road-Trip Range Test reflects how far you can drive an EV from fully charged to 5 percent at a constant 70 mph. The updated 2024 Model 3 Dual-Motor Long Range scores 250 miles in this real-world highway test, while the updated Standard Range car comes in at 221 miles

 

[Dave Herbal]

You're flipflopping more than a Tory PM Dave. Glad you're back in the land of the righteous again though

It was the shock of realising that a replacement car costs almost as much as my house per month.

I filled my van up with diesel yesterday at Morrisons after doing a bit shopping on the way home from work. Straight to the pump, put my card in, £118 worth of diesel and away. Probably took 4-5 minutes and it'll be another 3-4 weeks before I need to do it again.
So that works out 10 seconds a day on average over the month.

I think we’re getting away from the point here. You’re spending £118 to fill up, the same mileage costs me £20. That’s the selling point of electric cars, for now at least.
This whole “how long does charging take” argument is only relevant to the tiny proportion of people who travel long distances.

 

[legend7]

You should pass your battery onto Tesla - looks like your driving has outscored any of the real world tests carried out

Our MotorTrend Road-Trip Range Test reflects how far you can drive an EV from fully charged to 5 percent at a constant 70 mph. The updated 2024 Model 3 Dual-Motor Long Range scores 250 miles in this real-world highway test, while the updated Standard Range car comes in at 221 miles

Aye tbf to him that above is at a constant 70mph which is where EVs are at their absolute worst.
Much better efficiency doing standard day to day driving.

 

[42]

It was the shock of realising that a replacement car costs almost as much as my house per month.

I think we’re getting away from the point here. You’re spending £118 to fill up, the same mileage costs me £20. That’s the selling point of electric cars, for now at least.
This whole “how long does charging take” argument is only relevant to the tiny proportion of people who travel long distances.

It's not. It's relevant to millions who simply cannot charge at home.

 

[Fcomp]

I don’t believe for a minute that you can cover 300 miles on a charge especially on a mixed route - the Tesla long range has been tested at 221 miles if travelling at a constant 70 mph
I’ve been there and bought the T shirt but the difference is that I am being totally honest about my EV experience

I'm a very low mileage driver. I have a Corse electric.
There is no doubt that an electric car is way better for me than any ICE car. As it would be for 50%+ of the population.

The only long journey I've had is the drive home from the showroom.
The car has a 50kWh battery.
I drove 150 miles, starting with 81% charge and ending with 7% charge.
That's 74% (37kWh) to cover 150 miles, = 4.05miles/kWh.

The journey was up the M1/A1 and included a 20 mile traffic jam. Typical motorway driving.
That would suggest a maximum range of 202 miles.

I'd expect aTesla long range to do a lot better than my 50kWh Corsa!

It's not. It's relevant to millions who simply cannot charge at home.

Those that can't charge at home, can't get the really cheap rates.
But they can still charge at the local supermarket while doing their weekly shop for around the same cost/mile as filling up a petrol car.

 

[Dave Herbal]

It's not. It's relevant to millions who simply cannot charge at home.

But as stated earlier, at present they aren’t really suitable for people who can’t charge at home or who travel long distance. These people shouldn’t even be looking at them, so why are they being considered in the debate? Let them stick to ICE cars until such time as the problems are solved.

 

[42]

I'm a very low mileage driver. I have a Corse electric.
There is no doubt that an electric car is way better for me than any ICE car. As it would be for 50%+ of the population.

The only long journey I've had is the drive home from the showroom.
The car has a 50kWh battery.
I drove 150 miles, starting with 81% charge and ending with 7% charge.
That's 74% (37kWh) to cover 150 miles, = 4.05miles/kWh.

The journey was up the M1/A1 and included a 20 mile traffic jam. Typical motorway driving.
That would suggest a maximum range of 202 miles.

I'd expect aTesla long range to do a lot better than my 50kWh Corsa!

Those that can't charge at home, can't get the really cheap rates.
But they can still charge at the local supermarket while doing their weekly shop for around the same cost/mile as filling up a petrol car.

Again, you're missing the obvious.
Its not practical for them to pop out for few hours every few days to 'fill up'
And given that the cars themselves are more expensive (new ones anyway) then it's a double whammy in not being able to clawback the costs from cheaper fuel.

But as stated earlier, at present they aren’t really suitable for people who can’t charge at home or who travel long distance. These people shouldn’t even be looking at them, so why are they being considered in the debate? Let them stick to ICE cars until such time as the problems are solved.

Because in case you missed it, new ICE cars are being banned in a few years. So unless we end up like Cuba with everyone driving old cars, what are they going to do in say 20 years? Face the choice of driving a clapped out banger or buying a car that's no good for their situation.

 

[Fcomp]

Again, you're missing the obvious.
Its not practical for them to pop out for few hours every few days to 'fill up'
And given that the cars themselves are more expensive (new ones anyway) then it's a double whammy in not being able to clawback the costs from cheaper fuel.


Because in case you missed it, new ICE cars are being banned in a few years. So unless we end up like Cuba with everyone driving old cars, what are they going to do in say 20 years? Face the choice of driving a clapped out banger or buying a car that's no good for their situation.

I haven't missed the obvious. Maybe you have?
It doesn't take "a few hours every few days to fill up".
It's filled up while doing the usual 20 minute shop once a week.

 

[42]

I haven't missed the point. Maybe you have?
It doesn't take "a few hours every few days to fill up".
It's filled up while doing the usual 20 minute shop once a week.

PTR mentioned he has a 'cheap' runaround EV. It's got a range of 80 miles. If that's all you can afford & you travel a decent distance for work, you could very well have to charge it every other day.
And not everyone does the weekly car shop either. Its a needless inconvenience if it doesn't fit in with your lifestyle

 

[Billy Fish]

Again, you're missing the obvious.
Its not practical for them to pop out for few hours every few days to 'fill up'
And given that the cars themselves are more expensive (new ones anyway) then it's a double whammy in not being able to clawback the costs from cheaper fuel.


Because in case you missed it, new ICE cars are being banned in a few years. So unless we end up like Cuba with everyone driving old cars, what are they going to do in say 20 years? Face the choice of driving a clapped out banger or buying a car that's no good for their situation.

Did you miss that Sunak pushed the date back to 2035 so 11 years not a few.

 

[42]

Did you miss that Sunak pushed the date back to 2035 so 11 years not a few.

11 is a few, and it doesn't alter the issue which we're sleepwalking into as it's just seemingly not really being seriously addressed.

 

[Fcomp]

PTR mentioned he has a 'cheap' runaround EV. It's got a range of 80 miles. If that's all you can afford & you travel a decent distance for work, you could very well have to charge it every other day.
And not everyone does the weekly car shop either. Its a needless inconvenience if it doesn't fit in with your lifestyle

I think a lot of the negativity towards electric cars is based on the experience of the 1% of drivers that they might not suit.
95% of journeys are within the range of a low end electric car.
Most car owners will never make a journey beyond the range of a low end electric car.
It really doesn't matter to most people that they can't drive 300 miles non-stop, or that they can't charge at home, although charging at home is a significant additional benefit to owning an electric car.
PTR's car with a range of 80 miles would be a perfect match for over half of car drivers.

 

[42]

I think a lot of the negativity towards electric cars is based on the experience of the 1% of drivers that they might not suit.
95% of journeys are within the range of a low end electric car.
Most car owners will never make a journey beyond the range of a low end electric car.
It really doesn't matter to most people that they can't drive 300 miles non-stop, or that they can't charge at home, although charging at home is a significant additional benefit to owning an electric car.
PTR's car with a range of 80 miles would be a perfect match for over half of car drivers.

It would be useless for the 40% who can't charge at home. Its less about the journey length, more about the practicalities of charging when you don't have the luxury of just plugging it in.
There's another problem with this, is that it's effectively a tax on not being affluent enough to afford a house with a drive. So the better off all benefit from cheap electric but the less we'll off are shafted having to pay commercial rates.

 

[Hair Flick]

Again, you're missing the obvious.
Its not practical for them to pop out for few hours every few days to 'fill up'
And given that the cars themselves are more expensive (new ones anyway) then it's a double whammy in not being able to clawback the costs from cheaper fuel.


Because in case you missed it, new ICE cars are being banned in a few years. So unless we end up like Cuba with everyone driving old cars, what are they going to do in say 20 years? Face the choice of driving a clapped out banger or buying a car that's no good for their situation.

Given the pace of implementation of infrastructure already there’s no point trying to predict what things will be like in 11 years time based on today’s assumptions and technology.

Battery technology is undergoing huge R&D investment and will progress leaps and bounds in that time, as will the charging technologies and infrastructure. That’s an absolute given. Look at mobile phones from 10 years ago compared to today for an example.

Private car ownership is also ripe for disruption, along with driverless cars, it wouldn’t surprise in the slightest that you just request a vehicle on whatever the device of the time is and within minutes one will rock up to your location, take you to your destination and off it goes to its next assignment.

Need to transport the family? Move a sofa? Head down the pub? The right size vehicle will turn up just like Uber does today.

 

[Fcomp]

It would be useless for the 40% who can't charge at home. Its less about the journey length, more about the practicalities of charging when you don't have the luxury of just plugging it in.

That's already been covered.
Can I take it from your "40%" that you accept electric cars might be a good idea for the remaining 60%?

Those in your 40% that can't charge at home can charge when they shop, or visit the gym, or have a Costa, or a Big Mac.
Many of these places have rapid chargers.
It's not as cheap as charging at home, and might cost as much as filling up with petrol, but it's no more inconvenient that visiting a petrol station.
My local Lidl has a rapid charger, as does my local McDonald's, and my local Morrison's.

 

[Tuono]

I think we’re getting away from the point here. You’re spending £118 to fill up, the same mileage costs me £20. That’s the selling point of electric cars, for now at least.
This whole “how long does charging take” argument is only relevant to the tiny proportion of people who travel long distances.

I'm not, I was answering a question.

You’re spending £118 to fill up, the same mileage costs me £20.

I haven't said what kind of van it is or the MPG I get so saying you do the same mileage on £20 is a bit daft.

This whole “how long does charging take” argument is only relevant to the tiny proportion of people who travel long distances.

Or can't charge at home which is 40% of the population. 40% isn't a tiny proportion.

 

[yamar1]

Getting better as the night goes on

As cool as a frozen charger plug

It's got a 75kWh useable battery.
Over the 50k+ miles I've had it for it is currently averaging 250wh/mile or 4 miles/kW. 4x75=300 miles.

White text, gets them every time.

 

[The Onion Bag]

11 is a few, and it doesn't alter the issue which we're sleepwalking into as it's just seemingly not really being seriously addressed.

Tesla motors didn't exist 11 years ago.

Look how quickly they have built the cars and put in their own charging infrastructure.

I don't know what life will be like in 11 years, but I'd imagine it'll have a lot more charge points.

 

[42]

Tesla motors didn't exist 11 years ago.

Look how quickly they have built the cars and put in their own charging infrastructure.

I don't know what life will be like in 11 years, but I'd imagine it'll have a lot more charge points.

The number of charge points isn't the issue though l.

That's already been covered.
Can I take it from your "40%" that you accept electric cars might be a good idea for the remaining 60%?

Those in your 40% that can't charge at home can charge when they shop, or visit the gym, or have a Costa, or a Big Mac.
Many of these places have rapid chargers.
It's not as cheap as charging at home, and might cost as much as filling up with petrol, but it's no more inconvenient that visiting a petrol station.
My local Lidl has a rapid charger, as does my local McDonald's, and my local Morrison's.

We're going round in circles. In your head you might think you've covered it, but you really haven't. The fact you acknowledge the price difference shows you're also contradicting yourself. I'm wasting my time with you.