JonnotheMackem
Striker
ffsWho ended up getting the job?
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ffsWho ended up getting the job?
A mag called Crob was
Iirc
They would have to be about 85 year old. My next door neighbour was interviewed by the police because of where he was born which meant his accent could be the same. That man is long dead.Maybe even took in for further questioning.
Erm that sounds just like my dadMy dad was as well. He looked a lot like Sutcliffe back then actually with the dark hair and the tash. Mind you so did probably most blokes. My dad also travelled a lot with work back then so the plod were very interested in him.p
We've always joked what about it was actually me dar and Sutcliffe took the rap
How you doing sisErm that sounds just like my dad
My dad was as well. He looked a lot like Sutcliffe back then actually with the dark hair and the tash. Mind you so did probably most blokes. My dad also travelled a lot with work back then so the plod were very interested in him.
We've always joked what about it was actually me dar and Sutcliffe took the rap
Fine and dandy my loveHow you doing sis
Not caring about the victims was a huge part of why it was such a weak investigation at the startThat’s not really fair is it?
The Yorkshire Ripper investigation was unprecedented in size. No police force at that point was equipped to undertake such a huge task. The procedures at that time were not robust enough to cope with the vast amount of information and intelligence being fed into the incident room and processed on a daily basis.
Mistakes and catastrophic ones at that were undoubtedly made, that is common knowledge. Especially the tape recordings coming out of Sunderland. Sunderland CID were of the opinion that the tapes were a hoax virtually from the outset, however George Oldfield, in charge of the overall investigation was adamant that the person sending them was the ripper. It was probably wishful thinking but we’ll never know.
There were good detectives who believed Sutcliffe was worth looking at in more detail, but their voices were drowned out under the sheer cacophony of information to be processed. There were also detectives who should have been embarrassed to call themselves as such as they dismissed vital evidence based on nothing more than their perception of the victim. One victim for example who never had a statement taken described Sutcliffe down to a ‘T’ but as he didn’t attack black women she was ignored.
On top of that, the investigations as the murders ramped up were spread over more than one police force jurisdiction, West Yorkshire and Manchester and later obviously Northumbria, all of whom had their own ways of doing things. That wouldn’t have helped in streamlining any inquiry.
In short, but with no fault of most of the individual investigators, the whole investigation was woefully underprepared and under resourced to cope.
As a result of the fallout from this investigation we now have HOLMES and later HOLMES2 which revolutionised complex investigations like this. Had it been around back then, Peter Sutcliffe would not have committed as many murders as he did.
That's an amazing lack of competence by the police. That fiver should have been game over for Sutcliffe.And a five pound note that was found on one of the victims was traced back to his employer through payroll
I didn’t know until the other week that the Les Battersby actor found that particular victim in a Manchester allotment
Agreed. As I went on to say later, we have to judge things by the attitudes of the day, not by our more possibly enlightened ones of today though. The police back then undoubtedly saw the victims as second class citizens, but so did society as a whole. It wasn’t right. Individual officers would have compassion I’m sure, but institutionally the police wouldn’t have.Not caring about the victims was a huge part of why it was such a weak investigation at the start
Nah not basil, at least i don't think so.Does he grow basil at his allotment ?
Nah not basil, at least i don't think so.
That’s not really fair is it?
The Yorkshire Ripper investigation was unprecedented in size. No police force at that point was equipped to undertake such a huge task. The procedures at that time were not robust enough to cope with the vast amount of information and intelligence being fed into the incident room and processed on a daily basis.
Mistakes and catastrophic ones at that were undoubtedly made, that is common knowledge. Especially the tape recordings coming out of Sunderland. Sunderland CID were of the opinion that the tapes were a hoax virtually from the outset, however George Oldfield, in charge of the overall investigation was adamant that the person sending them was the ripper. It was probably wishful thinking but we’ll never know.
There were good detectives who believed Sutcliffe was worth looking at in more detail, but their voices were drowned out under the sheer cacophony of information to be processed. There were also detectives who should have been embarrassed to call themselves as such as they dismissed vital evidence based on nothing more than their perception of the victim. One victim for example who never had a statement taken described Sutcliffe down to a ‘T’ but as he didn’t attack black women she was ignored.
On top of that, the investigations as the murders ramped up were spread over more than one police force jurisdiction, West Yorkshire and Manchester and later obviously Northumbria, all of whom had their own ways of doing things. That wouldn’t have helped in streamlining any inquiry.
In short, but with no fault of most of the individual investigators, the whole investigation was woefully underprepared and under resourced to cope.
As a result of the fallout from this investigation we now have HOLMES and later HOLMES2 which revolutionised complex investigations like this. Had it been around back then, Peter Sutcliffe would not have committed as many murders as he did.
We can agree to disagree then.It's absolutely fair. One of his earliest victims who survived told the police that she had heard Sutcliffes voice and that he had a Yorkshire accent.