VARguments

[Kid Galahad]

Hang on…..when a goal is checked for ‘offside’ doesn’t it come up on the screen (presumably from VAR) that the goal is “disallowed” for “Offside”
Surely if VAR thought that it was onside then they wouldn’t send that graphic to the screen.

What I said, the graphic live definitely said 'offside'.

 

[dangermows]

What I said, the graphic live definitely said 'offside'.

Means nothing if the fella upstairs is having a quick look whilst playing on Mario Kart.

 

[Biffo The Bear]

I certainly think it's been proven now that we need more boffin types who can work and use the equipment and technology in the VAR control room rather than referees, leave them to do the on field stuff and fully competent nerds to the VAR stuff, they will probably get involved a lot less too, there's too much interference and re reffing incidents which wouldn't happen if non referees were in the control room, it needs simplifying.

I agree but that interferes with Webb and his club. Anyone not capable of drawing a line, aided by a computer, should be in another walk of life, like fast food delivery.

 

[Flea Market Trader]

Fine as it is. Any particular of the body that can be used to score a goal. No debate. In your example they'd not draw the line where the hand is so appearance means nothing.

If its just correctly its black and white. Being used correctly is the stumbling block.

I disagree as you can’t score a goal with your hand, however as we seen at Sheff Wed with Ballard it is indeed accepted you can with your head. By the way debate over isn’t really good is it. Haway.

 

[dangermows]

I disagree as you can’t score a goal with your hand, however as we seen at Sheff Wed with Ballard it is indeed accepted you can with your head. By the way debate over isn’t really good is it. Haway.

That's my point. You can't score with your hand which is why the hand isn't looked at as part of an offside review.

Hang on…..when a goal is checked for ‘offside’ doesn’t it come up on the screen (presumably from VAR) that the goal is “disallowed” for “Offside”
Surely if VAR thought that it was onside then they wouldn’t send that graphic to the screen.

From the way its explained its not joined up. The fella doing the review isn't putting anything up on the screen.

 

[hank williams]

Looked onside to the naked eye when they paused it, suprised they didn't make more of a fuss at the time in the studio

Thats old saying isn’t it if it looks on it is on

 

[Deleted member 53903]

Hang on…..when a goal is checked for ‘offside’ doesn’t it come up on the screen (presumably from VAR) that the goal is “disallowed” for “Offside”
Surely if VAR thought that it was onside then they wouldn’t send that graphic to the screen.

Absolutely this! It is either goal or no goal. Onside or offside. That is the vocabulary. It is not “stay with on field decision” when a goal is scored.

 

[dangermows]

Absolutely this! It is either goal or no goal. Onside or offside. That is the vocabulary. It is not “stay with on field decision” when a goal is scored.

They've revealed the audio conversation before and its been chaotic. They should use your suggested and clear vocabulary but they don't.

 

[Flea Market Trader]

That's my point. You can't score with your hand which is why the hand isn't looked at as part of an offside review.

From the way its explained its not joined up. The fella doing the review isn't putting anything up on the screen.

This also is incorrect

 

[dangermows]

This also is incorrect

It's not. They don't look at the hand when reviewing offside. But please carry on thinking they do.

 

[The Archer]

The rule is that once the game restarts the VAR can't have any involvement about a past incident. So he said 'check complete' not realising the ref had given offside, and then he wasn't quick enough to see the error and say something. Crazy.

That’s ridiculous. They allow play to continue while they are checking things like possible penalties.

And on top of that they need to say something different to ‘check complete’ if that’s what meant the goal didn’t stand.

Surely adding ‘allow goal’ or ‘no goal’ after ‘check complete’ would make things a lot clearer.

 

[TheWaterMargin]

Get rid of VAR ... get the linesman to put their flag up straight away too... flagging an offside at the end of a play not when they see the offside is pointless...

 

[hank williams]

Get rid of VAR ... get the linesman to put their flag up straight away too... flagging an offside at the end of a play not when they see the offside is pointless...

Who ever brought that rule in should be banned from football

 

[Pedrovansank]

The only thing I can think happened tonight is that the VAR ref has quickly looked at the Liverpool forward being ahead of the nearest defender and called it offside without looking at the defender at the bottom of the screen. It’s that bad it can only be human error.

If we’re still having human errors then it’s not working, and not specifically this instance, but there still seems an element of human bias in the var room which is incredibly frustrating too.

Microchip the club badge. Computer track the offsides.

Stuff the lines or mm offsides. If your chip is ahead of the last defender then you're offside.

 

[sunderpitt]

I still think, the first Red was dodgy... not only did his foot bounce off the ball (ie no intent to directly kick the player), the angle that the useless ref was shown, (together with slomo) made it look worse, than another angle showing a glancing blow. The ref reacted to the player on the floor writhing with agony, who a minute later was running around like a spring lamb. Having conned the thick ref.

As for the 2nd red card, certainly one yellow was a joke if not both.
I just hope when this ref as punishment is dropped a league, we do not get lumbered with him.

The 4th official is a decent ref, he should have been in charge

 

[Latka Gravas]

Get rid of VAR ... get the linesman to put their flag up straight away too... flagging an offside at the end of a play not when they see the offside is pointless...

Both would have to be binned at the same time.

 

[hank williams]

I still think, the first Red was dodgy... not only did his foot bounce off the ball (ie no intent to directly kick the player), the angle that the useless ref was shown, (together with slomo) made it look worse, than another angle showing a glancing blow. The ref reacted to the player on the floor writhing with agony, who a minute later was running around like a spring lamb. Having conned the thick ref.

As for the 2nd red card, certainly one yellow was a joke if not both.
I just hope when this ref as punishment is dropped a league, we do not get lumbered with him.

The 4th official is a decent ref, he should have been in charge

totally correct about the red card marra

 

[sir rowell cummins]

I’d remove VAR and have a rule change where anyone moaning or appealing anything and anyone who exaggerates a foul instantly gets time off the field.

 

[hank williams]

I’d remove VAR and have a rule change where anyone moaning or appealing anything and anyone who exaggerates a foul instantly gets time off the field.

I thought they brought in new measures this season for that scenario

 

[beezer]

Microchip the club badge. Computer track the offsides.

Stuff the lines or mm offsides. If your chip is ahead of the last defender then you're offside.

When you play fifa on the PlayStation it can call an offside to the mm instantly. You would think this technology along with Hawkeye or similar to scan the players bodies in real time could be used more effectively than the current system. This incident might be the spark that pushes it in that direction imo.