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sambantam82 said:
I'm not sure why people have a problem with this. I don't see why an attacking team should benefit from the ball hitting their hand, deliberate or not. If its hit an arm, it's unfortunate but I don't see the issue.
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Really...??

His arm was down by his side, what was he meant to do...chop it off?

If it didn't hit his arm it would have hit his side/waist and the ball would almost certainly have broken the same way...it was a nonsensical decision imo.
 

Voice of fair play said:
Take your point, but it was a contribution all round from everyone involved in football across the board that caused the introduction of VAR,

Although of course I totally agree it was more media a lot more than fans so totally get what you saying.

However total disagree it’s natural to blame refs or someone else.

It’s about taking responsibility for your actions and your own performance in any sport rather than a blame culture.

And strongly think other sports do that, press conferences after games of cricket and Rugby focus on the performance of the players and they take responsibility for winning or losing them games, where in football too much blame of refs, VAR etc for losing that game rather than taking that responsibility.

Last week proved that in the West Brom Brighton game, as although the ref made a massive mistake all the take was about how he cost Brighton the game with that massive mistake.

Hardly any take on the fact Brighton missed two penalties in the same game!
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totally agree with that. its refreshing when you hear a modern football manager simply say 'i got it wrong' or ' we played poorly' , but its too easy for them when there has been one bad decision, and they have played well and lost, to kick off at the ref. its hard to swallow when you've put a shift in and got the shitty end of the stick, but it happens.

still, i don't subscribe to the notion that we are being 'punished' with VAR for being twisty bastards for the previous 20 years.

its a very simple calculation, is the game better as a sport and as a spectacle with or without VAR, given that neither option is perfect. the simple answer for anyone ever emotionally involved in the game will answer that its better without it.

cricket and rugby in their very nature, cricket especially, lends itself to their version of VAR, football doesnt and never will.
 
gizmoganzee said:
How was Lemina's arm by is side - handball and Kante arms up - not handball, it's nuts.
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Iirc, it's because an attacking player touching the ball and resulting in a goal is always a handball, no matter the position of the hand. If it's a defender, then the hand/arm needs to be raised above the shoulder.
Either way, ridiculous rules, all caused by VAR's introduction to football.
 
The Shepherd said:
Really...??

His arm was down by his side, what was he meant to do...chop it off?

If it didn't hit his arm it would have hit his side/waist and the ball would almost certainly have broken the same way...it was a nonsensical decision imo.
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It couldn't have been tighter in if it had been tied to him and the distance the ball travelled was not that great either. Ridiculous!
 
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tunstallhill said:
totally agree with that. its refreshing when you hear a modern football manager simply say 'i got it wrong' or ' we played poorly' , but its too easy for them when there has been one bad decision, and they have played well and lost, to kick off at the ref. its hard to swallow when you've put a shift in and got the shitty end of the stick, but it happens.

still, i don't subscribe to the notion that we are being 'punished' with VAR for being twisty bastards for the previous 20 years.

its a very simple calculation, is the game better as a sport and as a spectacle with or without VAR, given that neither option is perfect. the simple answer for anyone ever emotionally involved in the game will answer that its better without it.

cricket and rugby in their very nature, cricket especially, lends itself to their version of VAR, football doesnt and never will.
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Yeah I think you right about VAR in the sense it has spoiled the game as we know it.

Problem is people could not leave it alone!

There was and is too much call for that word ‘consistency’.

VAR and all these stupid rules is trying to achieve consistency which will never happen.

We simply need to accept decisions as part and parcel of the game and mistakes by refs the same as mistakes by players.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah I think you right about VAR in the sense it has spoiled the game as we know it.

Problem is people could not leave it alone!

There was and is too much call for that word ‘consistency’.

VAR and all these stupid rules is trying to achieve consistency which will never happen.

We simply need to accept decisions as part and parcel of the game and mistakes by refs the same as mistakes by players.
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The irony is we actually now have LESS consistency since VAR was introduced than before - it's ruining football......everyone is saying it, but nothing is changing?

My love of the game is going massively, and it looks like the powers that be simply don't seem to care?
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah I think you right about VAR in the sense it has spoiled the game as we know it.

Problem is people could not leave it alone!

There was and is too much call for that word ‘consistency’.

VAR and all these stupid rules is trying to achieve consistency which will never happen.

We simply need to accept decisions as part and parcel of the game and mistakes by refs the same as mistakes by players.
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Its exactly this. People spouting on about consistency which is an utterly stupid concept in football has brought us to this point!
 
All or Nothing said:
It stinks this VAR would rather go with ref and linesman decision any time ,you win some decisions and loose some normally evens out in time. Would love to see a true fans poll on this VAR against human decisions .
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No it doesn’t even out at all. THATS why it was introduced. Ref after ref admitting once they’d retired they thought twice about giving penalties against Utd when Fergie was there.
The FAs training and marking programme that produces mice for refs instead of men and pricks like Fergie and Morinio and their spineless club owners are what’s produced this fiasco.
 
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