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Voice of fair play said:
There in lies the problem ‘ you have seen many a biased ref at Roker Park and SOL’

I don’t suppose they were biased towards us?

That with respect is complete bollocks unless you can read minds which you can’t, that is just total hearsay.

As far as fans saying refs are biased especially Sunderland fans I find that laughable tbh.

When we were in the premier league all you heard was refs give decisions to big clubs all the time, yet as soon as we were the big club in League one, according to fans on here refs came to SOL to stand up to the big club!!

That’s how much notice you can take from fans, as the Cattermole example you quoted proves, another bollocks statement fans used to come out with.

The respect for refs in Rubgy as opposed to football has nothing to do with VAR and nothing to with consistency of the rules, and everything to do with the culture one sport Rubgy has put in place as opposed to another football.

Go back 40 years at that has always been the case.

Cricket and Rugby fans have always have more respect for officials years and years before decisions were made based of replays.
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It's interesting that you think you know what I'm thinking and which side of the fence I sit on when referees officiate when Sunderland play at home. It also interesting how broad your generalisations are e.g. 'when we were in the Premier League all you heard ...', 'Go back 40 years and that has always been the case ...'
 

mikemanc said:
I didn't see much over the weekend but I think VAR has actually worked better and quicker this season. The thing that's wound me up is the handballs but that is just in line with the way it's being adopted not the way VAR is dealing with it.
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Should be used for goal line tech and offside, anything else should have to come from the officials.
Grumpy Old Man said:
VAR isn't the problem. The change in the interpretation of the handball law is the problem. What it's done is to bring us into line with the interpretation used in the rest of Europe. La Liga had 3 times as many handball penalties last season than the PL.
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It spoils the game mate.
 
Voice of fair play said:
It wasn’t at the whim or favour of the referees, it was their honest decision from the one look and one angle they had.

Therefore it was inevitable at the times it would be interpreted diffrently.

It’s not good at all, as this ridiculous crusade for consistency and less interpretation has brought us to where we are and the farcical decisions for handballs we have seen recently.

They should have left well alone.


It’s not it’s actually spot on, for years all fans and pundits did is twist about honest decisions made by refs from their one view and split second to decide.

Inevitably that would mean diffrent decisions and difffent interpretations, and less consistency.

But no everybody called for more consistency hence we now have pens for ridiculous handballs.
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Due to referee’s HONEST decisions ,getting a pen at Old Trafford was just about impossible.Big clubs have been getting decisions in their favour for years.Its called cheating.
 
safctommie said:
Due to referee’s HONEST decisions ,getting a pen at Old Trafford was just about impossible.Big clubs have been getting decisions in their favour for years.Its called cheating.
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The problem with that is they will have been loads and loads of times when a ref has honestly just give what he saw purely on the incident itself at Old Trafford but biased football fans always assume the worst.

Added to the fact most of the time they were the best side with the best defence common sense would say you would find it difficult to get pens against that team.

Its just fans making up bollocks, like I said earlier when we are the big club in League one ,apparently refs stand up to big club to say not intimidated and we get nowt, yet when in the premier league when we played a big club it was the exact opposite.!!

It’s laughable the way the game has become now with the recent handballs all because people could not accept honest decisions

The only cheating that goes on is players diving ,feigning injury etc etc, yet have the bare faced cheek to call refs cheats!!
 
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Voice of fair play said:
The problem with that is they will have been loads and loads of times when a ref has honestly just give what he saw purely on the incident itself at Old Trafford but biased football fans always assume the worst.

Added to the fact most of the time they were the best side with the best defence common sense would say you would find it difficult to get pens against that team.

Its just fans making up bollocks, like I said earlier when we are the big club in League one ,apparently refs stand up to big club to say not intimidated and we get nowt, yet when in the premier league when we played a big club it was the exact opposite.!!

It’s laughable the way the game has become now with the recent handballs all because people could not accept honest decisions

The only cheating that goes on is players diving ,feigning injury etc etc, yet have the bare faced cheek to call refs cheats!!
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Another sweeping generalisation. Referees, like the rest of us, make mistakes in all sports from snooker to cricket to football and in every other sphere. You give the impression people like me think referees in football particularly are being malicious in giving biased decisions. I'm not saying that at all. But people, including referees are swayed by all sorts of things including social pressure as in social conformity, crowd pressure, stress and anxiety over previously marginal or incorrect decisions and so on. VAR, as in other sports, is a technical tool which works except, like others have said, the authorities have not yet refined the rules around it e.g. the handball rule obviously needs changing. But VAR is, nevertheless, there to assist the referee.
 
Voice of fair play said:
The problem with that is they will have been loads and loads of times when a ref has honestly just give what he saw purely on the incident itself at Old Trafford but biased football fans always assume the worst.

Added to the fact most of the time they were the best side with the best defence common sense would say you would find it difficult to get pens against that team.

Its just fans making up bollocks, like I said earlier when we are the big club in League one ,apparently refs stand up to big club to say not intimidated and we get nowt, yet when in the premier league when we played a big club it was the exact opposite.!!

It’s laughable the way the game has become now with the recent handballs all because people could not accept honest decisions

The only cheating that goes on is players diving ,feigning injury etc etc, yet have the bare faced cheek to call refs cheats!!
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You’re a ref aren’t you? 😂
 
Voice of fair play said:
No, played football all my life sat and Sun and then over 40s.

Never really been bothered about supporting a particular side as too busy playing myself.

Hence not having the time for this my team never get decisions biased bollocks!!
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You’re getting very emotional about all this, but people aren’t saying their team aren’t getting decisions at places like Old Trafford, they’re saying no-one does.

Saying that nothing affects a refs judgement other that what he sees is mental 😂

If you don’t think that 60k+ people baying at a referee has an impact, or that all refs are bastions of virtue, then you’re naive in the extreme.

Leicester got 3 penalties in one game at Man City this season. Do you think that would have happened if the stadiums were full? Not a chance,
 
PtangYang kiperbang said:
You’re getting very emotional about all this, but people aren’t saying their team aren’t getting decisions at places like Old Trafford, they’re saying no-one does.

Saying that nothing affects a refs judgement other that what he sees is mental 😂

If you don’t think that 60k+ people baying at a referee has an impact, or that all refs are bastions of virtue, then you’re naive in the extreme.

Leicester got 3 penalties in one game at Man City this season. Do you think that would have happened if the stadiums were full? Not a chance,
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Of course they will be occasions when refs are swayed by pressure they only human, but equally of course they will have been occasions where they have given decisions they genuinely think is the correct decision based of what they have seen, where people incorrectly assume they have given because of the pressure of the crowd.


Your point is valid but totally overplayed and taken out of perspective imo

We can’t know what you saying or how many times it happens unless we mind readers which we not, we don’t know whether Leicester would have got them pens at all.

The main point I am getting across is sick of this biased it’s always us who gets the raw end of the deal, it’s biased nonsense,

For years and years on here all I heard the n here is the big decisions always go to the big teams in that league, as refs swayed by the pressure of them teams.

Yet amazingly when we became the big team in League oneall I was hearing on here was that refs were determined not to be swayed by pressure at the SOL, and were given decisions to the other side to prove that.

The complete opposite of what was been said 3/4 years earlier!

It’s absolutely laughable that people actually believed that
 
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Why are people surprised at VAR not working the way they assumed it would, a lot of the controversy arises from involving a man in a shed at *Shockley Park therefore just someone else’s opinion, it’s laughable.

*deliberate.
 
cook said:
That handball decision against Fulham :lol: whether that's VAR or the rules it's ridiculous.
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I'm not sure why people have a problem with this. I don't see why an attacking team should benefit from the ball hitting their hand, deliberate or not. If its hit an arm, it's unfortunate but I don't see the issue.
 
cook said:
That handball decision against Fulham :lol: whether that's VAR or the rules it's ridiculous.
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Was that the one where it hit the Spurs lad and went out for a corner? Ref gave a GK, VAR said hang about it may be a pen....no it hit his shoulder. Ref still gives GK.
Commentator said VAR Cant adjudicate a corner. So WTF did the ref think the VAR lads were looking at? It was a corner all day long and nivver a penalty.
If I was a manager I’d be demanding Masters and the refs bosses get infront of the cameras and talk their customers through replays of these decisions. It’d be the hit comedy show of the year.
 
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